Sometimes I have the worst luck of the draw. Since childhood, I have been enamored by the dangling stamens of our native tall meadow rue (Thalictrum dasycarpum). But every time I get a plant, and even the few I have grown from seed, have always been females. :( Now, FINALLY I have one! An orphan from our local Chapter sale, I don't even know what it is since it was labeled T. actaeifolium (which it is not), but I love it!
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It's still in the pot from last year (and about 10 inches). Now I will plant it in the garden. The natives where I grew up would grow 5 feet in dry soil under Red pines and on a slope. They actually seemed to do better there than in moister nearby woods!
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What a charming looking plant - so different to a species I have flowering on a raised bed at the moment, Thalictrum orientale. This comes from the eastern Mediterranean and does well in our dry garden. A beautifully delicate little plant.
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A lot of beautiful Thalictrums ;)
Never heard of T nishiki, it looks splendid! So does the T orientale. Tim, does orientale need a Mediterranean climate?
Rick, your unknown meadow rue looks great!
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Nice collection, Ernie.
Some species I've never heard of either, but that's not so unusual for me. ;D
They look nice already, but will be even better in years to come!
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Rick,
Maybe dioicum? A native early spring woodlander?
The ichangense (not ichyaense) does not look right. Ichangense should have peltate leaves and is a small spring flowerer through early summer. Another species frequently goes around under this name as well; T. coreanum, but it is rhizomatous tuberous vs. just tuberous.
Aaron
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Aaron, yes, T. dioicum fits well. If it is a native here, it would be the only possibility, I think.
The ichangense (not ichyaense) does not look right. Ichangense should have peltate leaves and is a small spring flowerer through early summer. Another species frequently goes around under this name as well; T. coreanum, but it is rhizomatous tuberous vs. just tuberous.
Aaron
Boy, does that make differentiation of ichangense and coreanum easy. Previously, the best I could find was this attached paper. Then, mine must be T. coreanum as it is a 30 inch(76cm) mat in six years. It is the one I posted on the SRGC forum here:
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=7484.msg205590#msg205590
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Yes, thats coreanum. There are other characters such as filament/stamen ratio, leaf abaxial surface, distribution, but the rhizome vs. not is good and easier to see in cultivation. It is a good plant, but has gone around under ichangense. I had it as ichangense for many years until I received good ichangense. Still wondering if there are others in the group of peltate leaved species that need described. I have one from Vietnam as well that is more like coreanum, but clump forming. There was pseudoichangense described recently as well.
Where's your plant from? I would like an additional clone that is different from mine to get seed set.
Aaron
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Wow, that was a quick reply, Aaron. I had problems uploading the PDF, and had to do it by modifying my message after posting. Since you were so quick, I doubt you saw it on there.
The plant came from a fellow NARGS chapter member, whom I think bought it directly from a nursery at least fifteen years ago. I'll ask her and see if she knows the origin. She may have got it from a place like Heronswood. I would be happy to send you some. Unless it's best sent now (and regardless of origin), I'll try to find out her source.
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Did not see the attachment and it was only chance that I looked at the forum at that moment ;)
I originally thought what I saw in Vietnam was going to be pseudoichangense, but it seems to be typical, or within the range of variation for ichangense.
I can wait until fall. Mine have flowered already and it is already hot. I'd be happy to share a division of this clone here. It originated with Harlen Hammernik's nursery about 10-12 years ago.
Aaron
Great portrait photos Rick, always difficult to capture such thin and wispy subjects, but well worth the effort and well done. And I can relate, the dropping flowers are fetching indeed. I'm a great fan of thalictrum; glad you have finally acquired one searched for a long time. How tall does this one grow?