Allium 2013

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I'm trying to propagate what is labeled as Allium farreri (cyathophorum), and was sold to me by PlantWorldSeeds. Attempt is being made in a bottom watered 50/50 coco peat/sand.

The packet stated that no stratification was necessary. Can this be true?

I've got some under cold treatment as well, but if it's unnecessary, that would be useful to know. I've read this is a 'common' garden plant from multiple sources, but I've never seen it that I can recall.

I've grown A. shoenoprasum, cernuum, and canadense. Only cernuum needed strat.

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Longma's picture

Wed, 09/25/2013 - 7:29am

Thanks for the update Mark. Looks to be a sizeable project, but one which, I'm sure, will be well worth it. It would be such a shame if your collection was overwhelmed and dwindled over the years. I'll be very interested in your thoughts, upon completion, as to which did ok, or held their own, or had severely declined. I'm seeking to expand my plantings, amongst scrub and 'thuggish' grasses, in coming years and hope to include at least a few of the 'choice' Allium sp. if possible.

[quote=Mark McD]

More to come:

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Looking forward to it, wink

Sat, 08/17/2013 - 12:19pm

[quote=RickR]

Flower scapes of the A. sikkimense I recently posted are 8 inches, and I swear the flowers are more blue (rather than purple) than ever this year.  I wonder if it is because of the cooler summer weather.  While it is usually 80-90+ F at this time of year, high temps have only been in the 70-80F range.

 

This past Saturday we had our August Chapter plant sale.  Betty Ann Addison, owner of Rice Creek Gardens donated a whole flat of really choice plants.  Among them was Allium cyaneum.

 

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I would love to participate in one of your plant sales, Rick!

Sun, 09/15/2013 - 7:10pm

All my Allium zebdanense are regrowing!  Is this suppose to happen?  They are two and three years old from seed and some bloomed this year.  They came up about 2 weeks ago .....the ones I have planted in the ground under a tree as well as ones still in pots.  I don't recall this happening before, but then again, my pot ghetto is so large that I could have missed them. surpriseindecision(this "indecision" emoticon needs a lot of work...)

Sun, 09/15/2013 - 7:50pm

I've grown this species for almost 40 years, but never have seen an autumn sprouting. Do you have a photo of what it looked like in flower? Your "pot ghetto", very funny, I can relate to the phrase cheeky

I feel like I shouldn't complain about emoticons, they suddenly just showed up and they're fun to use, but half of them don't look much like what they're supposed to be emoting.

I have a lot to catch up with regarding Allium, I've been delinquent devil

Here's an interesting tidbit. Back in 2010 I received a form of Allium sikkimense; it has small tight clusters of blue (not nearly as nice as Lori's form), seems sensitive to heat and dryness, the flowers often abort or barely open in the midsummer heat, and it never sets seed.  Today I lifted half of the small clumps, and replanted.  Was surprised to see young sprouting offsets, but they're on "vertical" stolons, about 2" straight up from the parent bulb, essentially lifting them above the soil!  I separated the vertical stolons and planted them at normal depth, has anyone seen this before?  The behavior seems strange to me.

In the photo, the red arrow points to a young shoot on a vertical stolon over 2" above the parent bulbs, to the right is another green shoot on a vertical stolon.

 

Mon, 09/16/2013 - 4:59am

Pretty inflorescence!  It's not Allium zebdanense, but is a member of Section Codonoprasum, the two long dried spathe segments are a hallmark of this group (same group that Allium paniculatum is in). In a recent paper on Section Codonoprasum in Turkey, an author writes "Sect. Codonoprasum Reich. is the largest and the most complicated section in Turkey, where 44 taxa are represented".  There are many dozens more species in Europe to Asia, with particular development in Greece and other Mediterranean areas, so it might be a challenge narrowing down an ID. Recommend posting on SRGC, there are some Allium experts there (like Janis Ruksans) that might be able to narrow down the possibilities.

I'll take an off-hand stab at it, reminds me of Allium staticiforme.

Wed, 09/25/2013 - 10:30am

Wow, I guess I had no idea how really extensively overrun that garden is/was!  Mark, your tenacity to get the job done is inspiring.  How I envy those that grow so many different plant and larger gardens, but this is exactly why I am reluctant to keep expanding what I have: I don't want to have to spend the time maintaining them!

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 6:22am

Yes, there are areas that are terribly overrun with aggressive weeds, other spots that are more easily salvageable. You're wise to consider the size of one's garden, all too easy to take on too much.  But I was able to maintain this garden for over 20 years without too much problem, it really has only been the last 2-1/2 years where my work situation dictated so much of my time.  I'm inspired, by seeing what has survived, to give them a new lease on life.  One key is, to make gardens that as sustainable as possible, something I must work on developing better techniques for. 

Before I go into some of my salvage operations, here are some nice autumn flowering alliums that I've been enjoying, looking really good this year due to a long string of perfect late summer-autumn weather.  Two views of Allium sacculiferum, one that goes around as Allium aff. thunbergii DJH (Dan Hinkley) 272, a very showy small allium with dense globular heads, unlike the effuse heads on Allium thunbergii. I have this growing in a woodsy part shaded bed among Epimedium and other woodlanders.



  

 

The next two are Allium pseudojaponicum, this is one I've wondered about for 2 decades, looks similar to thunbergii in bloom, but has flat leaves +4 mm wide (not three-sided hollow leaves as in thunbergii). The newer keys separate this species on account of the flat foliage and no teeth on the stamens.  This plant came to me as Allium taquetii (syn. of thunbergii) from the US National Arboretum, it has taken these two decades for the taxonomy to catch up and additional species to be defined around the thunbergii-virgunculae alliance, to be able to apply a name to it. This one is growing in a grass-infested area, so it's scheduled to be rescued, but seems to be doing fine on its own so far.

  

 

My favorite is a robust white form of Allium thunbergii that I find to be a particularly good garden plant, growing about 14"-16" tall. It is stronger growing than some other white forms I have tried.  In one photo, you'll see Allium sacculiferum in the background, for size comparison.

     

 

The last one is a delicate form of Allium stellatum - ex, Carroll Co, Arkansas, grown from seed sent to me by Aaron Floden. Has been flowering for weeks, about a half dozen stalks, the small heads of light pink are delightful upon close inspection.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 7:55pm

Two of the Allium sacculiferum that I grew this year form your seed, Mark, are blooming now.   I took this one to today's Chapter meeting, and ended up auctioning it off.  Anything with a flower, especially at this time of year, commands a high price!

         

(And if anyone needs to know what a dandelion seed looks like, that's what is hanging down on the left of the second pic)

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 9:13pm

Rick, it's so satisfying seeing this, happy that you had good results from the seed, and already you shared it with others!  The heads on your young plants will get bigger and much more densely-flowered in coming years.  I should get good seed set this year, although I probably gave away half of what I had, this plant is in high demand, and as you suggest, what's not to love about a small bulbous plant flowering this time of year (and hardy). The close-up photograph is really a fine capture.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 7:15am

 

[quote=Mark McD]...and already you shared it with others![/quote]

I donated a couple seedlings this past spring, too. smiley

The green ovaries that are already so prominent on new flowers really complement the petal coloring.  This bicolor effect is very pleasing.  Not so noticeable on my pic, but easily seen on yours, Mark. 

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Longma's picture

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 7:24am

Stunning Allium sp. Mark and Rick. cool

I only grow a couple of species, but have a feeling this may change ! Are there many months when an Allium isn't in flower?

Wed, 10/16/2013 - 6:50pm

Allium bodeanum - appears to be a shorter version of A. cristophii

Allium bodeanum

I have some seedlings of Allium peninsulare, but being impatient I also bought some bulbs last fall - the first of the bought ones is starting to open

Allium peninsulare

cheers

fermi

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 7:42am

Hi Rick,

if you look closely there is one rather ratty looking leaf showing! The others are below the level of the photo - they don't look as attractive as yours!

cheers

fermi

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 5:56pm

From Flora of North America:

Allium abramsii

Leaves persistent, withering from tip by anthesis, 1, basally sheathing,...

So there is only one leaf, and it grows through your winter?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 6:11pm

[quote=RickR]

From Flora of North America:

Allium abramsii

Leaves persistent, withering from tip by anthesis, 1, basally sheathing,...

So there is only one leaf, and it grows through your winter?

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Hi Rick,

yes, the flower-stem emerges from near the base and the foliage isn't phased by our mild winters,

cheers

fermi

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 11:28pm

I have a number of American alliums grown from seed which seem rather similar

line up of alliums

This one came as A. dichlamydeum but I think it's more likely to be A. bolanderi

Allium maybe dichlamydeum

This one was labelled A. bolanderi

Allium bolanderi

This is a seedling A. peninsulare

Allium peninsulare

Allium abramsii as seen above

Allium abramsiiAllium abramsii

cheers

fermi

 

Sat, 11/30/2013 - 11:02pm

A few more onions in the garden! This one was purchased just last weekend as Allium acuminatum, at least that's what the seller thinks it is! Any comment, Mark?

Allium acuminatum

In the garden Allium acutiflorum has started to gently self-seeded into this part of the garden, the Pinnacle Bed,

Pinnacle Bed with alliumsAllium acutiflorum

Another drumstick type, Allium amethystinum, is less intent on spreading but propagates easily by offsets,

Allium amethystinum

cheers

fermi

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 4:52pm

Here's a more up-to-date pic of the Allium which I got as A. dichlamydeum but which I'd decided was more likely to be A. bolanderi; why I decided that is unclear to me now! I wonder if Mark or some other allium expert can comment on it,

Allium dichlamydeum or bolanderi?

cheers

fermi

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 11:46am

Hi Fermi, nice Alliums, and I promised you on SRGC that I would respond to the questions on identifications of these American Allium you posted. As usual, along with the holiday rush, comes the huge work rush to get stuff done by the holidays.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 11:49am

Posted on SRGC, was this special announcement on a new monograph; for Allium fans, it's a must-download, enjoy.

Alliums 2013 topic on SRGC Forum, this is the starting point on discussing the new book, and shows the color photo.
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10020.msg288775#msg288775

"A Taxonomic Review of Allium subg. Melanocrommyum in Iran"
by Reinhard M. Fritsch and Mehrdad Abbasi

Not only is this publication monumental and revolutionary in every respect, the 244 page PDF documents full of keys, highly detailed plant descriptions, maps, and color photographs, is free to download, here's the link:
http://www.ipk-gatersleben.de/fileadmin/content-ipk/content-ipk-ressourcen/Download/IrMeRevAllN.pdf

Longma's picture

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:10pm

[quote=Mark McD]

..... for Allium fans, it's a must-download ......

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...... and, I would say, for anyone who has the remotest interest in 'Rock Garden' plants, smiley

A truly very special work. A big thank you for drawing our attention to it Mark, and perhaps more so, a huge THANK YOU to the authors for ensuring its widespread availability. Surely this approach to dissemination of information will lead to a much wider interest in the subject, cool Perhaps NARGS may write to the authors on behalf of us all??

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 2:13am

This is what I have as Allium saxatile; the first pic shows the intriguing way the flower-heads are nodding until the florets are ready to open,

cheers

fermi

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 7:35am

Hi Fermi, I have several forms of Allium saxatile, this pink one looks nearly identical to one that I grow, it's fairly robust. And yes, the buds do nod initially giving it an interesting look. 

It's -23C (-10 F) this morning, with a fresh 50 cm of snow, sunny but not warming up much past -15C (5 F).  I still haven't cleaned my Allium seed collections from this year, must do so, then sow, and any surplus I will offer up here.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 9:46pm

Hi Mark,

this might even be from you originally! I bought the bulbs around 2001 from Discovery Bulbs which was run by Murray Cubis and I'm sure he was a member of NARGS at that time. I did get seed from you via the NARGS 2000 Seedex but never got them to flowering sizesad

Here's another look at the flower-head and the buds are now upright and their florets about to pop,

cheers

fermi

Sat, 02/08/2014 - 6:43pm

[quote=Mark McD]

... I still haven't cleaned my Allium seed collections from this year, must do so, then sow, and any surplus I will offer up here.

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How's the seed cleaning going, Markcheeky; I've collected A. acutiflorum seed but lucked out with the western Americans. However I have a number of Allium species seed from Overseas to sow soon!

These pics are from a couple of weeks ago,

Allium sphaerocephalon, one of the commoner "drumstick" types, which seems to develop a lean despite being in good sun; I didn't get a pic in its earlier phase with the green (immature buds) top and purple lower part being the open flowers,

cheers

fermi

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