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Some martagons recently or currently in bloom here:
A couple of really lovely ones given to me by my friend from work, Adam, who is very active in growing and hybridizing lilies and is becoming well known in lily circles... These flower stalks are 6' 5 1/2' tall this year.
[Sorry, there used to be pictures here, but the link is broken. Lori]
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Richard T. Rodich
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Thu, 06/14/2012 - 8:36pmLilium 'Super Tsing', a L.martagon and L. tsingtauense cross.

Trond Hoy
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Sat, 06/16/2012 - 12:03amRick, your lilies are weeks ahead of mine. I have Mrs R O Backhouse too but I can't even see the buds! Some interesting crosses too.
Richard T. Rodich
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Tue, 06/19/2012 - 8:09pmOne of the earliest blooming asiatics: Lilium amabile


Last year I showed this form of Lilium duchartrei
http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=750.msg10756#msg10756
Now I have this one to present

A Lilium davidii seedling and Lilium davidii var. willmottiae

Richard T. Rodich
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Thu, 06/21/2012 - 9:14pmThe lily "species" lily that masquerades as L. tsingtauense in most catalogs, but it is really a natural cross of L. tsingtauense with L. distichum and/or L. medeoloides. (It is not known exactly which.)

The many faces of this one, all the same clone:
A couple open pollinated seedling siblings from Lilium 'Super Tsing', a cross of L. martagon and L. tsingtauense.

Lilium lijiangense. The lighter color is the true color.

Edited to correct identity mistakes.
Trond Hoy
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Thu, 06/21/2012 - 10:41pmRick, I'm envyous. You have so many beautiful lilies!
The few that have survived the hordes of gastropods are still in bud :-\
Richard T. Rodich
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Fri, 06/22/2012 - 8:09amWell Trond, I do have lots of lilies, but the seedlings aren't always that nice. I don't think you looked too closely at the the previous long stemmed pic. Flowers on that Super Tsing open pollinated seedling are super thick petaled, and flowers (and petals) not well formed in my opinion. That's the best photo I could take of it! In fact, that's why I chose that one to show; not all crosses are successes.
Note that I also edited their identities in that message to be correct.
Lori S. (not verified)
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Sat, 06/23/2012 - 8:35amYour lily bloom is so far advanced, Rick! You were describing the very warm winter earlier - has it resulted in earlier lily bloom or is this normal for you?
Even the martagons are nowhere near blooming in my yard yet. I did see a western red lily blooming in the park on my way home last night, though the ones in my yard will be a few days yet.
I find the unusual symmetry of L. x tsingtauense very intriguing! Love the L. lijiangense as well, with the dark nectary lines and the interesting planes in the center!
tropicalgirl251... (not verified)
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Sat, 06/23/2012 - 12:36pmRick the Lilies are looking great.I have some Lilies and few more days to bloom.
Richard T. Rodich
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Sat, 06/23/2012 - 3:45pmYes, lilies are blooming earlier than normal here. But while the spring broke about 3 weeks early and spring blooming flowers bloomed then, the lilies only seem to be a bout 2 weeks earlier than normal.
I tried to keep the mulch over my lilies on as long as possible, and when I finally decided I had to remove some if it, most of the bulbs had already sprouted under the mulch. Not a problem for established plants, but I had planted a hundred or so seedlings of various sizes last fall, and a lot of sprouts began wandering under the mulch rather than pushing up through. So I have a lot of healthy, but prostrate stalks this year.
Richard T. Rodich
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Mon, 06/25/2012 - 8:42pmAside from Lilium davidii and Lilium lancifolium, Lilium maculatum is the easiest species I have grown.

This one from seed from plants bought from the Species Lily Preservation Group (SLPG)
Lilium maculatum var. wilsoni
Lilium lankongense flowers are smaller this season. I believe it is water stress in my clay based soil. We are really making up for our August to April severe drought, as we have had over four inches of rain so far in June.

Typical viral symptoms on the lily hybrid Pink Panther. Of course, this was immediately dug and tossed in the garbage to be taken away. The second photo is what the cultivar should look like.

Trond Hoy
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Tue, 06/26/2012 - 2:16pmRick, here (at my summerhouse) it is only Lilum bulbiferum which is in flower. L bulbiferum is a very old garden plant in Norway and my plants selfsow here. Yesterday I had to pick several lily beetle larvae though :-\
Gene Mirro (not verified)
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Tue, 06/26/2012 - 7:40pmRickR, I modify my heavy soil by tilling it as deep as possible, then piling about 1.5 inches of coarse sand on top and tilling it in. Some decayed bark or other organic matter is also helpful, but the sand is permanent; it does not decompose. So now you've got sandy loam topsoil. Gardening in sandy loam is a pleasure; I don't know why people put up with clay. Also, nearly everything will grow on a raised bed of sandy loam soil. If you search my posts, you will find that phrase "raised bed of sandy loam soil" repeated ad nauseum. Also, sandy loam is very conducive to seed germination. In a way, this is bad, because nearly everything I grow soon becomes "invasive".
If your soil is acid, apply lime regularly. This also improves soil structure. If used in moderation, it is not toxic to acid-loving plants. All plants need some Calcium and Magnesium.
A raised bed of sandy loam will get quite warm in Summer. If you are growing lilies, I strongly recommend using bark mulch and companion plants to keep the soil cool. Otherwise you run the risk of bulb rot.
Here is a photo of a big soil improvement project, with my garden assistant Mr. Kubota providing invaluable assistance (and keeping me out of intensive care):

Gene Mirro (not verified)
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Thu, 06/28/2012 - 8:06pmThe lily species are very happy this year, even though the weather here has been even colder and wetter than normal. Shown in order of bloom:
Lilium maritimum:
[attachthumb = 1]
Lilium bulbiferum croceum:
[attachthumb = 2]
Lilium hansoni:
[attachthumb = 3]
Lilium columbianum:
[attachthumb = 4]
Lilium grayi:
[attachthumb = 5]
Lilium martagon album:
[attachthumb = 6]
Lilium lijiangense:
[attachthumb = 7]
Lilium amabile:
[attachthumb = 8]
Lilium tsingtauense:
[attachthumb = 9]
Lilium kelloggi white form:
[attachthumb = 10]
Gene Mirro (not verified)
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Thu, 06/28/2012 - 8:22pmA few more species lilies (not in order of bloom):
Lilium candidum:
[attachthumb = 1]
Lilium leichtlinii v. maximowiczii:
[attachthumb = 2]
Lilium kelloggi:
[attachthumb = 3]
Lilium pyreniacum:
[attachthumb = 4]
Richard T. Rodich
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Fri, 06/29/2012 - 8:32amA fantastic collection, and obviously well grown. (Just look at the number of buds on that hansonii!)
Wow, that Lilium bulbiferum croceum is a particularly nice form with its defined color zoning. Do you get true seed, or is that the only clone you have?
Your Lilium lijiangense is a heavily speckled form, and shorter pedicels than mine, too. Again, enviable traits. I have seen forms with almost no speckles: nice, but rather boring, in my opinion.
Lilium grayi, another to-die-for-species, I never tire of seeing. Someday...
I have L. pyrenaicum coming from seed. Knowing that it is a delayed hypogeal germinating seed, it still took an extra year just to germinate, and is growing rather slowly in my estimation. I hope it doesn't take nine years to bloom like it did with Darm!
Gene Mirro (not verified)
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Fri, 06/29/2012 - 8:51amThe bulbiferum croceum was grown from seed exchange seeds. I have several seedlings, so hopefully I'll get some seed. I'm hand-pollinating. I've also tried cross-pollinating bulbiferum and bulbiferum croceum. I don't know yet if that will work.
I hope the L. grayi sets seed, but the stamens are black, and I don't see loose pollen. I don't know if this is normal. Maybe the moths will pollinate them for me.
L. pyreniacum took five years to bloom from seed. So far, two stems out of five have bloomed.
I believe many native lily populations are losing vigor due to inbreeding. This may be why some species that used to be easy to grow (like chalcedonicum) are now very difficult. One of the things that gardeners can do is to grow plants from several populations, and cross-pollinate them. This is what happened back when natural populations were much bigger and closer together.
Note that I am using tomato cages to support lilies with long, weak stems, like lijiangense. It keeps them from getting in the way, and getting accidentally broken off. Not pretty, but I don't have time to individually stake plants.
Tony Willis (not verified)
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Sun, 07/01/2012 - 6:50amFirst of mine in flower on our return from holiday
Lilium martagon ssp cattaniae
Margaret Young
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Sun, 07/01/2012 - 9:50amSo many super lilies - a delight to see.
Gene, when you advise adding some lime to more acid soils, at what rate would you apply that, and how often ? Every year, every other year?
P.S Gene will be introducing the lilies of North West America to IRG readers very soon 8)
Gene Mirro (not verified)
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Sun, 07/01/2012 - 10:57amAbout liming acid soil: there is the "correct" answer: do a soil test, and get a recommendation for application rate based on that. Unfortunately, this rate will vary for each type of plant being grown.
And there is the "pragmatic" answer: I know that my soil is very acid, because the local soil conservation guy told me. So I apply a handful of lime on every square foot of soil surface. If this improves plant growth, I continue applying lime each year, but at a lower rate, maybe a half handful per square foot. This is because lime is fairly persistent in the soil; it leaches out slowly, assuming that your soil has some clay in it.
The problem with the pragmatic approach is that my soil may require THREE handfuls of lime per square foot to reach optimum pH. But my experience growing vegetables is that one handful is a whole lot better than no lime at all. I refuse to pay $30 for the soil test, when the soil conservation folks know what the characteristics are anyway. For example, it is well known that the soils in this area have plenty of Phosphorus. So the lawn fertilizer companies are making fertilizer with no P, just N and K. And this makes sense anyway, since P is very immobile in the soil, and tends not to leach out, whereas N and K are very mobile, and leach quickly.
So every Spring, I sprinkle a little lime (preferably dolomitic), a little fertilizer, and sometimes a little Micromax trace element mix on my garden soil, without knowing whether I am applying too much or too little. My plants are very happy, so I am not going to change my method. If my plants don't look so good, then maybe I will pay for the soil test. If the plants are too vigorous, then I cut back on the fertilizer, or maybe skip a year of fertilization.
Once every couple of years, I will apply roughly one handful of lime for every few square feet around my acid-loving plants, including rhodies, blueberries, natives, etc. I can't prove that this is helping, but it certainly isn't hurting. But remember that my native soil is extremely acid. Every green plant on Earth needs some Calcium and Magnesium, the two active elements in dolomitic lime.
http://www.ccaontario.com/FCKEditor/File/Calcium%20Nutrition%20in%20Plan...
http://www.spectrumanalytic.com/support/library/ff/Mg_Basics.htm
If you have any doubts, or if your plants are sickly, pay for the soil test. If you are a commercial grower with large acreage, you should definitely pay for the soil test. What if your soil has been under cultivation for many years, and no longer resembles the native soil in your area? At the very least, you should buy some pH paper and test the soil acidity. Or buy a cheap soil testing kit. Or go ahead and get a professional soil test done. The problem with cultivated areas is that the soil will vary greatly from one part of the yard to another. So there is no neat and tidy answer.
Trond Hoy
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Mon, 07/02/2012 - 4:23amGene, you are showing some really beautiful lilies! I particularly liked grayi and kelloggi!
Gene Mirro (not verified)
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Mon, 07/02/2012 - 1:21pmA giant martagon (or is it a hybrid?) :
It's over 6 feet tall. It came to me in a packet of seed labelled L. mackliniae.
A nice stem of lankongense:
Richard T. Rodich
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Mon, 07/02/2012 - 2:50pmWhat an elegant form of L. lankongense, Gene.
I grow a different type, with a more rigid and narrower growth pattern.
Gene Mirro (not verified)
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Mon, 07/02/2012 - 3:04pmI can grow them, but I am not good at ID. So feel free to let me know if my plants are not identified correctly.
Richard T. Rodich
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Mon, 07/02/2012 - 5:18pmIn fact I used to have that graceful form, procured after the type I posted photos of previously. Unless it is a very close hybrid, it is indeed L. lankongense. The one I grew like that came from a big commercial seller like Jung or some such. It bloomed wonderfully, but declined yearly, and lasted only 4 or 5 years. ??? With a raceme(lankongense) instead of an umbel(wardii and duchartrei) arrangement, I don't think it can be anything else. Leaves are slightly different, with leaf arrangement far more sparse with ductartrei. The Flora of China has an unusually good collect of photo links of duchartrei: http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027714
Lilium lankongense foliage. Leaves have 5-7 strong veins.

Lilium duchartrei foliage. Leaves have 3-5 veins, less apparent.

Gene Mirro (not verified)
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Tue, 07/03/2012 - 9:43amLilium medeoloides:
Cardiocrinum giganteum (with Tropaeolum speciosum on left):
Richard T. Rodich
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Tue, 07/03/2012 - 8:04pmI really like the growth pattern of your L. medeoloides, Gene. Both the foliage and the inflorescence. It seems very refined and even noble, to me. :o
the cardiocrinum ain't too shabby, either!
Richard T. Rodich
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Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:59amForgot to say, Tony, how wonderful those Lilium martagon ssp. cattaniae look. :o
I hope mine do just as well!
When I dug these bulbs 2 years ago, I was surprised that they were so large and hefty: more like a hybrid than a species. But they sure didn't like being moved; the next year, there was no bloom, and growth was small, though very healthy. Back to maturity, now...

The Flora of China doesn't recognize Lilium majoense, and the closest is certainly Lilium primulinum or Lilium nepalense according to the FoC. There must be a lot of variation in the species.
From my seed planted in 2008, Lilium michiganense is in bloom.

Margaret Young
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Fri, 07/06/2012 - 7:28amGene, I like your approach to liming - sounds like the practical approach to recipes used by the best cooks!
Richard T. Rodich
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Fri, 07/06/2012 - 7:39amAgain, Lilium duchartrei. This one has a noticeable green base and green tips when in bud, similar to Lilium monadelphum and its maroon coloring. I used to have a L. duchartrei with maroonish-brown base and tips, but it mysteriously disappeared. :'( That one was most excellent. Isn't it funny how your most cherished tend to be the most difficult...

Lilium leichtlinii. Bulbs from the Species Lily Preservation Group. The black stem is very evident, but unfortunately the coloring is not as showy in the inflorescence.

A quite unique inflorescence structure.

Lilium maculatum var. wilsonii. This species has very lustrous, thick leaves, and so has been used frequently in breeding.

Richard T. Rodich
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Fri, 07/06/2012 - 8:25amI crossed Lilium leichtlinii with Lilium maculatum var. wilsonii. I had two first blooms last year. As would be expected, there is not a whole lot of variation in this primary cross. When lilies bloom with only one flower, as these, the aspect (the angle at which the flower is held) is not always the same as when there are multiple flowers in an inflorescence.
#2 
#1
I don't think I have had any lily that is so vigorous. This year, #1 shown above has 15 flowers (including 4 secondaries)! #2 has 9!
#1
Gene Mirro (not verified)
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Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:15amNice stems of michiganense. I can grow them here, but they won't set seed, even with hand pollination. Maybe it has something to do with temperature.
Tony Willis (not verified)
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Mon, 07/09/2012 - 2:56amRick
the Lilium majoense is very similar to L. poilanei which I grow.
Also here is a picture of L. michiganense growing by a river at Kleinburg Ontario ten days ago
Richard T. Rodich
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Mon, 07/09/2012 - 9:14amI did consider L. poilanei, but at the time I thought it was native only to the southeast Asian peninsula. No way would it be winter hardy here in zone 4! In fact years ago, I passed on an offer of seed of the species because of that. Now I see it is native in Yunnan also. And foliage seems most similar to L. poilanei. Definitely three veined, thick and waxy. It was more thick and waxy when I grew it in full sun, but it seems more happy here in open shade. So maybe...
Not too common for L. michiganense to have a tiered inflorescence. It must be doing very well. I meant to ask you, what is that twining thing on it?
Tony Willis (not verified)
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Mon, 07/09/2012 - 9:28amRick
I cannot help with the twining thing. The lily was growing just above the waterline on a small river in the grounds surrounding the McMichael art gallery and was taken with the zoom from about 50 feet away.
Trond Hoy
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Tue, 07/10/2012 - 11:14amDoes L michiganense need very moist soil?
Not many species lilies here at my summerhouse but a few others like these 'Capuchino' and 'Graffity'. ...and one which isn't a lily, Kniphofia uvaria!
Richard T. Rodich
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Tue, 07/10/2012 - 1:57pmIn my experience, if Lilium michiganense doesn't get constantly moist soil, it will still flower, but the plant won't be that long lived (and of course, flowers will be smaller). A few times now I have grown seedlings in places that get dry and hot in summer; They take a longer time to get to flowering, and then flower okay for a year or perhaps two and then slowly decline. The nice thing about stoloniferous lilies is that easily dive down in the soil to find their proper growing depth for the area.
Below is an example of how stoloniferous bulbs can seek their proper depth in the soil. The original little seedling bulb from last season is at the top. This season it sent out two stolons terminating in bulbs. "Up" is up in the pic, "down" is down in the pic. The structure looks like the photo was taken at an angle because the new bulbs are so much larger, but no. The plant lays flat on the soil surface with the camera directly above.
Richard T. Rodich
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Fri, 07/13/2012 - 8:47pmLilium papilliferum is not too well formed this season, due to the excess heat, I think.

Lilium auratum seems to be fairly happy with the root competition of other herbaceous plants. Here it grows amidst Hakonechloa macra 'All Gold', Helleborus Royal Heritage and Brunnera 'Jack Frost'.
Mark McDonough
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Sat, 07/14/2012 - 7:53amReally enjoying all of these fine lilies here, beautiful things they are! Wish lily beetle wasn't such a problem here.
I agree Aaron the red-flowered twining plant is a Cynanchum, here's a couple links. Most species in this widespread genus are weedy, some invasives, but some good ones too.
http://blog.nexcerpt.com/2010/05/21/swallowwort/
http://blog.nexcerpt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/DSCN7772_50.jpg
One of my favorites is Cynanchum ascyrifolium (Vincetoxicum ascyrifolium), "Cruel Plant", not sure why that common name, one of my top favorite perennials, a subject worthy of a separate topic. :)
Richard T. Rodich
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Sat, 07/14/2012 - 7:58amThanks Aaron. We don't always say so, but your expertise is very graciously appreciated (and essential!).
Claire Cockcroft
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Sat, 07/14/2012 - 9:02amMark, you mentioned lily beetles. Lily leaf beetles have been found in Bellevue, WA -- the first infestation that I've heard of. My son gathered up some from his trumpet lilies for my entomologist friend. In just 2 days they've chomped through most of the foliage he put in the jar! Horrors!
Trond Hoy
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Sat, 07/14/2012 - 12:23pmI killed more than 30 lily beetles during the last week! And a lot of larvae too >:(
Tony Willis (not verified)
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Tue, 07/17/2012 - 7:30amThanks for identifying the twiner.
Here are a couple more of mine
Lilium amoenum
Lilium tsingtauense,first flowering from a scale I was sent two years ago so only a single flower and well chewed by lily beetles which have been prolific this year
Of my two L. poilanei, one has eight buds this year and the other which is very poor and I am worried may be virused only one. Lots of seedlings from last year have just germinated.
Richard T. Rodich
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Fri, 07/20/2012 - 3:24pmAnother form of Lilium papilliferum opened today.
Lori S. (not verified)
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Fri, 07/20/2012 - 4:03pmTerrific lilies, Rick and Tony - L. papilliferum is a beautiful colour!
So sorry to hear about lily beetle reaching your area, Claire. They are amazingly destructive and the larvae, particularly, are utterly disgusting things. They first showed up in my yard about 3 years ago and have proliferated, despite my constant lily beetle patrols. (To be any more vigilant, I'd have to quit work and patrol all day... hmmm, I think I could live with that... ;D )
Richard T. Rodich
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Sun, 07/22/2012 - 9:17amLilium philadelphicum in the wild, western Minnesota.
More photos here: http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=455.msg18807#msg18807
Richard T. Rodich
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Sun, 07/22/2012 - 8:58pmAnd isn't this interesting...
Lilium lancifolium 'Flore Pleno'
Lori S. (not verified)
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Sun, 07/22/2012 - 9:04pmWell, you could give me any of the other ones you've shown, anytime, instead. ;)
I think I understand though... gotta try them all! :)
Trond Hoy
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Mon, 07/23/2012 - 2:13amStriking colour Rick, on that papilliferum!
Tony, L amoenum is lovely!
Rick, although the double lily is interesting I agree with Lori: I would choose any other if I had to make a choice ;)
Tony Willis (not verified)
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Tue, 07/24/2012 - 4:32ama couple more in flower
Lilium parryi
Lilium bakerianum ssp delavayi
Gene Mirro (not verified)
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Tue, 07/24/2012 - 7:36amTony, parryi normally has a long throat and more of a bell shape. Is it possible that your plant is a hybrid?
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lilium_parryi_(2).jpg
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