New NARGS Forum - Issues, Question, Suggestions

Hmmm, lots to sort out with

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 8:13am

Hmmm, lots to sort out with private messages it seems. Rick, in your last screen capture on message #38 I see something that I noticed in my mail as well, when sorted by date, there are two entries without any description, dated 1969! I don't even think there with computers back then [here's-where-we-would-normally-insert-grin-emoticon].

With my Firefox browser, if I

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 9:21pm

With my Firefox browser, if I right click the post number at the right, my drop down menu opts a "Copy link location". This also copies the URL for that page, beginning with that particular post, and it is faster and easier.

RickR wrote:

Fri, 07/05/2013 - 2:46pm

[quote=RickR]

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Good observation Rick, that certainly is quicker than the slower two-step process I had been using (clicking the message# > it loads the page starting from that message# > then copy the URL at the top).

A similar shortcut is available in Internet Explorer browser, right-click on the post number on the right, use the "Copy Shortcut" option from the drop-down menu.

Just tried this on the SRGC Forum, it works for both Firefox and Internet Explorer as described above, except one must click on the Message Title link in a specific message (just above the Reply # text).

Lori S. (not verified)

It works in Safari also.

Fri, 07/05/2013 - 3:56pm

Good to know! It works in Safari also. Just right click on the Message #, then "Copy Link".

I had my first AJAX HTTP

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 8:59pm

I had my first AJAX HTTP error when trying to upload a pic. For me, it is linked to the use of the quote button when I reply. I tried it twice both ways, using the quote button and using the larger regular reply button at the bottom of the page. The only way I could upload a pic was with the reply button.

And a new twist:

I clicked okay on the AJAX error dialog box to get rid of it. Then (for a reason I don't remember) I click the back button to view the page before, then the forward button to return to the page, and the pic I was trying to upload was uploaded! Silly me, I tried it again (back button, then forward) and the document was timed out, so I never saw if I could actually post that pic or not.

Lori S. (not verified)

I had an error too last night

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 9:49pm

I had an error too last night after attempting to show a quote also - this was in the "What do you see in your garden walks" thread. It wasn't the AJAX HTTP error; instead, it said the photo could not be loaded as it was probably larger than 16 MB... although both photos were actually less than 100 kB. I had to "Save" the message without photos, then was able to add the photos one by one, saving in between.

This post of interest for

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 2:19pm

This post of interest for forum Moderators. I set a topic for "No Comments" (thus locked). I'm trying to remember, but if I remember correctly, if a topic was locked, a forum Admin or Moderator still had a reply button to add new posts (because they're Admins). Under the new NARGS Forum, if close a topic to comments, it closes it for myself and other Admin Moderators to reply, although the Edit button should still function for you (moderators).

So, the only way I see to add new posts to a locked topic, is to temporarily unlock the topic by editing the first message and allowing comments, make your post, then go back and re-lock the topic by setting it back to no comments. It's an inconvenient work-around, but it will work. To avoid forumists posting while the topic is unlocked, best to have the message mostly composed in a text editor beforehand.

Lori S. (not verified)

Here's a report of not being

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 8:22am

Here's a report of not being able to renew membership via the new site facility:

https://www.nargs.org/comment/23477#comment-23477

Toole (not verified)

Managed to successfully renew

Mon, 07/22/2013 - 12:41am

Managed to successfully renew online tonight.

Cheers Dave.

Lori S. (not verified)

I guess I don't mind the idea

Mon, 07/22/2013 - 8:14am

I guess I don't mind the idea of the child thread (though on the other hand, it seems needlessly complicated) but I agree that I don't like the Delete command removing the ENTIRE child thread either!

Until this new forum system

Fri, 07/19/2013 - 6:32pm

Until this new forum system came about, I never realized the difference between the "post reply" and reply" buttons. I know that other non-nargs forums have these different reply buttons, but I never thought much about it. But since I am moderator here, I investigated. I think the nuance here, "reply to message #blah blah", is lost to the casual forumist. I don't think many people know the difference. I think there are a lot of people (including myself before I realized the difference) who erroniously use the "reply to message #blah blah" when they post a general message, and vice versa.

This inadvertent erasing of other posts by association is a bad thing. In addition, on forums like this or SRGC, a "reply to message #blah blah" almost always contains useful information relevant to the general topic subject. Relevant information that is beyond the content that actually associates with the message #blah blah. General discussion is compromised.

Another thing I forgot to mention regarding the edit function:

Why does the heading still say "Post New Reply" when you are in the edit mode? It should say "Edit Reply", or some such.

RickR wrote:

Sun, 07/21/2013 - 6:29am

[quote=RickR]Until this new forum system came about, I never realized the difference between the "post reply" and reply" buttons.
[/quote]We can change the text on the 'Reply' button to 'Reply to this post', or something to that effect, and 'Post Reply' could be changed to 'Reply to Original Topic', or whatever. [quote=RickR]Why does the heading still say "Post New Reply" when you are in the edit mode? It should say "Edit Reply", or some such.[/quote]We can also change the text "Post New Reply" to something more logical. Would you like "Edit Reply"?

I don't think anyone denies

Sun, 07/21/2013 - 9:41pm

I don't think anyone denies that there is some logic to deleting child posts if the parent post is deleted, but for us, it's not what we want. So often in child posts, there is a lot of pertinent, useful and wanted information that is not necessarily related to the parent post, but should be kept as part of the general discussion. In addition, that someone can delete other people's posts, AND without even knowing it, is alarming.

Can we just get rid of the reply button that is "reply to this post" altogether? Then there could be no child posts. This would solve everything, in my opinion.

What do you think, Lori and Mark....?

The regular post reply buttons at the top and bottom should remain named as is, in my opinion. The discussions may take some some turns a bit off topic, and this is not always a bad thing. "Reply to original topic" is too limiting, I think.

RickR wrote:

Mon, 07/22/2013 - 8:54am

[quote=RickR]

Can we just get rid of the reply button that is "reply to this post" altogether? Then there could be no child posts. This would solve everything, in my opinion.

What do you think, Lori and Mark....?

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Well said Rick, the most alarming thing about the issue of deleting a message, is that when or IF a user decides to delete a message, they will be deleting other people's posts as well, which should not be allowed! I would underline the last part of my sentence for emphasis, but underline still does not work.

I'm not sure I expressed it clearly enough, but I think the part I was trying to illustrate is, the Delete function warns that it will delete all messages that were directly responded to the message being deleted, but I believe it is worse than that... it also deleted messages that were in response to any message subsequently, in other words, any message that came after the message being deleted. I plan on testing this theory out. I will post a new disposable message in a new Topic, with the premise that I will delete a message at some point in the thread, and I believe it'll delete every message *after* that deleted message. Not sure why standard users's would have the ability, security and permissions-wise, to delete other forumists' posts.

In fact, we don't want that to happen even for administrators, it should be possible to go to a message that needs to be deleted, and have ONLY the selected message be deleted, regardless of any subsequently posted messages.

I changed some permissions.

Tue, 07/23/2013 - 10:53am

I changed some permissions. Only Forum Moderators will be able to delete a Topic or Reply. If they do, everything the follows that particular post will also be deleted. The recommended approach is to Edit the post you want to 'Delete' to read, "This Topic (Reply) has been deleted." All forum participants have permission to do this as well. I placed an instructional note under the 'Text Format' section beneath the WYSIWYG editor.

Lori S. (not verified)

Daniel, why should it be that

Tue, 07/23/2013 - 10:57am

Daniel, why should it be that all posts AFTER the deleted one are also deleted??? Why can't a single post be deleted by a moderator without these huge repercussions!!

Each item of content in

Tue, 07/23/2013 - 11:43am

Each item of content in Drupal can exist in either of 2 states, unless you add more. They are Published and Unpublished. The difference is obvious. Now you see me, now you don't, but I still exist and administrators can see me; So it is a checkbox.

In this method you could Unpublish a Reply. All its children will still remain Published and visible to all site visitors. If you Unpublish a Topic however, the children also become unpublished. The permission to publish/unpublish is rolled in with some other administrative permissions and affect all content types, so it cannot be given to Members or Guests.

There is a module that gives you a bit more granular control over who can publish/unpublish what. I have not tested it as I am not in favor of installing more modules unless absolutely necessary, as every additional module slows the site.

I think I used the word

Tue, 07/23/2013 - 11:58am

I think I used the word 'after' in error; it is ambiguous in this context. When a Reply is deleted, only its children, grandchildren, etc are deleted.

Lori S. (not verified)

Yes, I think I understood you

Tue, 07/23/2013 - 12:27pm

Yes, I think I understood you. If there is one "offensive" post, that the moderators possibly don't see for a couple of days, when it is deleted, everything after it, valuable or not also gets deleted? Why would we want this?

Daniel Dillon wrote:

Tue, 07/23/2013 - 12:33pm

[quote=Daniel Dillon]

I think I used the word 'after' in error; it is ambiguous in this context. When a Reply is deleted, only its children, grandchildren, etc are deleted.

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Not really, based upon my experiment, deleting a message will delete all that follows (children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc), with the exception of a "Reply to #" where the number is "less than" or "previous to" the message being deleted. Hairs are being split semantically, the point is deleting a single message on this New NARGS Forum has the undesirable consequence of deleting much more than it should delete, only the selected message should be deleted. So, the question remains, does this Drupal forum have the technical capability of just deleting a single message or not? From what you're telling us Daniel, it does not.

Which leads me to another question asked before but was not answered, is it technically possible on this New NARGS Forum under Drupal format to SPLIT a topic? Being able to Split or Merge topics or portions of topics in the previous forum was incredibly useful. Based upon what you're telling us here about the underlying "parent-child message thread behavior", this too is not technically possible on this new forum?

There exists a module for

Wed, 07/24/2013 - 6:52am

There exists a module for splitting forum posts. It has no 'stable' release, but it works for the most part. I will look into correcting a bug that results in the new Topic, after the split, having the posting date change to the date of the split. I will report back on my progress.

Daniel Dillon wrote:

Wed, 07/24/2013 - 8:01am

[quote=Daniel Dillon]

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Please wait a minute, before heading off to look for a module that might add more issues to the fray, let's focus on the primary issue in the first paragraph above; the issue of deleting a single post. I repeat the paragraph here:

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Not really, based upon my experiment, deleting a message will delete all that follows (children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc), with the exception of a "Reply to #" where the number is "less than" or "previous to" the message being deleted. Hairs are being split semantically, the point is deleting a single message on this New NARGS Forum has the undesirable consequence of deleting much more than it should delete, only the selected message should be deleted. So, the question remains, does this Drupal forum have the technical capability of just deleting a single message or not? From what you're telling us Daniel (about the Published and Unpublished states), it does not.

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The "Post Reply" button at the top and bottom of every topic page creates a generic response without creating a linked child or grandchild response, without the live link saying "Reply to #x" in the reply. If the "Reply" button that appears in every reply were to be removed, and only the top and bottom "Post Reply" button remained, would that have the effect of creating a consecutive linear stack of messages without the parent-child-grandchild thread-linking?

Update: testing this further, using the "Post Reply" button shows the first message in the topic as its context, so therefore I'm now assuming that even using the "Post Reply" button, the reply might be considered a child to the first message in the topic.

Daniel Dillon wrote:

Sun, 07/21/2013 - 9:57pm

[quote=Daniel Dillon]

RickR wrote:

Why does the heading still say "Post New Reply" when you are in the edit mode? It should say "Edit Reply", or some such.

We can also change the text "Post New Reply" to something more logical. Would you like "Edit Reply"?

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I like "Edit Reply", unless Mark or Lori have another idea....

Thank you.

Lori S. (not verified)

I like "Edit Reply" also - it

Sun, 07/21/2013 - 10:39pm

I like "Edit Reply" also.

RickR wrote:

Mon, 07/22/2013 - 8:43am

[quote=RickR]

Daniel Dillon wrote:

RickR wrote:

Why does the heading still say "Post New Reply" when you are in the edit mode? It should say "Edit Reply", or some such.

We can also change the text "Post New Reply" to something more logical. Would you like "Edit Reply"?

I like "Edit Reply", unless Mark or Lori have another idea....

Thank you.

[/quote]

I agree, "Edit Reply" seems sensible.

I added subscription

Sun, 07/21/2013 - 7:22am

I added subscription capability. You will notice it in 4 places.

On your Member Dashboard, accessed by clicking on your username, top right. There you will have a new tab, "subscriptions". You can enable or disable subscriptions. After 3 years, a subscription will automatically be disabled.

On an original Topic post. In the links section at the bottom of the post you will see "Subscribe". You will receive notification of any replies.

When you post a new Topic, there will be a checkbox to receive notification of replies.

When you Reply to a Topic you will see a trio of checkboxes. You can subscribe to all replies in the Topic or only replies to your Reply.

I will make the "Subscribe"

Sun, 07/21/2013 - 7:23am

I will make the "Subscribe" link look like the other 'buttons' in the links section. Just not today.

I noticed in the Roscoea

Wed, 07/24/2013 - 9:51am

I noticed in the Roscoea topic, that at the top of page 2, after Longma's latest post, there is a time zone error at the top. What is causing that?

Mark McD wrote:

Wed, 07/24/2013 - 12:33pm

[quote=Mark McD]

I noticed in the Roscoea topic, that at the top of page 2, after Longma's latest post, there is a time zone error at the top. What is causing that?[/quote]

Not sure. It goes away on a page re-load and a stray away and hit 'Back' sequence, so it probably relates to the previous page; likely the anonymous post with no date. I will see if I can clean that up.

Email Notifications:

Wed, 07/24/2013 - 11:48am

Email Notifications:

I notice that I sometimes get two email notifications for the same reply. They're slightly different, one indicates who made the comment, and the other one does not. And, the unsubscribe link is different. I prefer the version with the commentor's name. I attach a photo showing the two messages in my email InBox side-by-side. Is there a reason why the first line of the text is cut-off then the full line of text appearing on the second line?

For other's to know, under your Profile, there is now a Subscriptions tab, where you can see what you've subscribed to, each with an option to unsubscribe. Or, one can use the unsubscribe link in the email notifications for specific topics.

Mark McD wrote:

Wed, 07/24/2013 - 12:49pm

[quote=Mark McD]

Email Notifications:

I notice that I sometimes get two email notifications for the same reply. They're slightly different, one indicates who made the comment, and the other one does not. And, the unsubscribe link is different. I prefer the version with the commentor's name. ... ... Is there a reason why the first line of the text is cut-off then the full line of text appearing on the second line?[/quote]

I believe the first one is saying you explicitly subscribed to a post, either Topic or Reply, whereas the second one is saying your default is set to always subscribe to your posts. You'd think you would only get one in the end. I will see if I can change the second one to show the commenter's username too.

The first line, chopped off after a few words, is the Title (or Subject) of the Reply. By default, if the field is left blank, the first few words become the 'Subject' in all output of the Reply. The 'Subject' field is disabled in the forum as it would be a nuisance. The subject line should therefore also be removed from output as well. I can see about removing that.

deesen (not verified)

It's awfully quiet around the

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 9:18am

It's awfully quiet around the Forum across many of the threads, which must mean folks are finding it difficult to come to terms with the new setup. Does anyone know if the many points raised by Mark and others have been worked on, or are being worked on?

Fermi de Sousa

Hi David,

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 6:28pm

Hi David,

I've only recently returned to this Forum after sorting out my password, etc.

As I said earlier it will take some getting used to, but it's probably because I'm of the generation that thought this computer lark would never last!

I'm a bit curious as to why I (and many others) am listed as "guest" rather than member - I am paid up!<grin>

cheers

fermi

Lori S. (not verified)

Fermi, I have no idea why it

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 7:39pm

Fermi, I have no idea why it says "guest" but will ask to have it looked into.

Hmm, I think the best remedy for inactivity in this forum is for all of us who are here, to post and post often!! :-) I would love to see more discussion and more photos, so please join in!

deesen (not verified)

Friends,

Sat, 08/17/2013 - 11:28am

Friends,

I posted what follows on 8 August (I had to jump through all kinds of hoops today to perform what should be a simple task of using a quote from a previous post and it now appears at the end of this- don't ask!). To date, apart from Mark who replied to me privately, no-one of NARGS authority has taken the trouble to respond to my main point and I repeat it here:-

"Does anyone know if the many points raised by Mark and others have been worked on, or are being worked on"

In my opinion the new Forum is entirely deficient and not fit for purpose and is the root course of the number of posts now falling to negligible proportions. IT DOESN'T WORK PROPERLY AND BECAUSE IT'S TOO DIFFICULT TO USE PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN UP ON IT!!!!! ARE YOU LISTENING, OR DON'T YOU CARE!

Similar views are being expressed currently on another thread.

I think the lack of response from NARGS Officers, and I have written personally to Peter George (without any reply) is bordering on contemptuous.

"It's awfully quiet around the Forum across many of the threads, which must mean folks are finding it difficult to come to terms with the new setup. Does anyone know if the many points raised by Mark and others have been worked on, or are being worked on?"

Trond Hoy

I share the same thoughts as

Sat, 08/17/2013 - 12:00pm

I share the same thoughts as David! Although I have learnt how to post in this new forum I have still not managed to orient myself in the topics and threads here.

And it is clear that a lot of contributors have disappeared.

The new NARGS Forum could be

Sat, 08/17/2013 - 6:01pm

The new NARGS Forum could be fixed, if only there was a responsive process to get it fixed. I don't want to even discuss why NARGS needed to change the forum to this new format, it wasn't something that was needed, but let that point end there; I think I speak for the NARGS Moderators that we just want to fix the current problems and make new NARGS Forum a better experience. The single high priority improvement to the site, would be the addition of a "Mark Unread" button, to flag a topic as New. I have asked repeatedly, is it technically feasible in the new NARGS Drupal web format, to add a button to mark a topic as Unread; this would enhance the ability to have meaningful responses, but so far in two months of trying, it meets with silence, we're powerless (the Moderators) to improve the experience. Response from NARGS Leadership is basically nil as well, not sure why, perhaps the project is an embarrassment.

If some high priority items could be addressed by the "NARGS Web Helper Guy" Daniel Dillon, then we could move forward and get the improvements enacted and be in a better situation. The NARGS Web Master position appears to have been terminated, but impossible to get a direct answer from NARGS Leadership what the status is for having a NARGS Web Master.

In terms of using the new NARGS Forum, and how to post photos, new instructions can be made. BUT, we need to hear from NARGS Leadership on the issues that have been raised, and ways to address those issues, to feel confident there is a process in place.

Fermi de Sousa

I did find it a bit different

Sat, 08/17/2013 - 11:19pm

I did find it a bit different to start with, but think I'm getting the hang of it now!

Still a bit pathetic at posting pics but I find it very easy to post comments using the iPad.

Can't wait to show you the Iris aucheri which has flowered today - from NARGS Seedex 2005! - but it'll have to wait till I can download the pic at work tomorrow! <grin>

cheers

fermi

Claire Cockcroft

It's unfortunate that the

Sun, 08/18/2013 - 10:55am

It's unfortunate that the forum is so little used. When I check who is on the forum, I usually see only one or two other names. Now the NARGS forum has never been as active as the Scottish Rock Garden Forum (with 71 users today, for example), but the drop-off in activity since the changeover to Drupal is dramatic. Before the change, I thought the activity was picking up. The discussions were certainly livelier.

As a retired techie, I have pretty much figured out how to use the forum as much as I want to use it. I find it incredibly slow compared to the old forum, and no improvement in any way over the old format. It is distressing that so much money has gone into creating a product that does not meet expectation.

Cockcroft wrote:

Sun, 08/18/2013 - 11:10am

[quote=Cockcroft]

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Claire, I think you expressed it well, this changeover to a Drupal-driven forum, versus keeping the SMF forum (software expressly developed for forums) that we had before, has had the net effect of dampening forum traffic. In part, this might also be due to people having difficulty logging in initially, we know fof some actual cases where the password reset feature didn't work for some people who attempted to login, so some users might have just given up. The lack of a "mark unread" feature on topics, is a real deterrent to "conversation", because after looking briefly at what new messages came in, one forgets which topics they were when returning to the forum at a later point. If we could just get a few of the main issues resolved, I think traffic would increase. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here :-)

Actually Fermi, once one

Sun, 08/18/2013 - 11:03am

Actually Fermi, once one understands how uploading embedded photos work on this site, I find it much more flexible than with other sites, even moreso than SMF forums (such as SRGC and previous NARGS). I like the easy ability to reposition embedded photos (no need to reload them), add caption text, automatic resizing if uploading images larger than the stated max size, and many more photos allowed during one upload session. Feel free to send me a PM or Moderators Lori and Rick if you have some questions on uploading photos. Much better than Facebook too, where it's nearly impossible to control the order of images when uploading multiple images, then needing to separately caption each photo otherwise they will float around FB captionless, to the frustration of FB users.

Peter George

Although it seems as though I

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 6:52am

Although it seems as though I've been 'missing' these past few months, I've followed the introduction of the new website and Forum extremely closely. Rather than insert myself into a process and a project about which I know very little, I've left the discussions to those who have a real understanding of the issues, and whose input would be helpful. The people who have managed this project are competent, and have my trust, but at this point the Administrative Committee is going to get involved to delve into where we are today, and where we ought to be. I'll be sharing as much information as possible over the next few weeks, and hopefully we'll all understand a good deal more about the process, the current status, and what we can expect over the next 2-3 months.

I just want to affirm the fact that I have some authority as President of NARGS, but I'm not a monarch. And given the level of knowledge I have about technical issues (very little), any interference from me during this process would have been................well, unhelpful. Let's see what the next couple of weeks brings. And please continue to offer suggestions/criticisms. They are not being ignored.

Peter

Anne Spiegel

I'm afraid I've become one of

Mon, 08/26/2013 - 5:51am

I'm afraid I've become one of the NARGS Forum dropouts. I find it difficult to use, and most importantly, difficult to have a good overview of what's new. Things seem to disappear from view and it seems much harder to keep track of conversations. Personally, I really liked the old forum (probably because I understood how to use it), and I miss it. I like the concept of a Forum - so much useful information from so many very talented growers - but I don't have the time for what seems to be a very steep learning curve. The old Forum was getting better, and now it is back to zero. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Hi Anne.

Mon, 08/26/2013 - 6:40am

Hi Anne.

We all are facing the task of learning where the buttons are, and perhaps accept that a couple of buttons may no longer be there. After reading your complaint, above, I can offer no solutions as the complaint was vague and seemed to be more a venting of frustration rather than a request for help. If you have a specific question, I can answer it for you, and maybe help to reduce the incline of the learning curve. Please feel free to ask me, or Mark McDonough if you have a concern. We are here to help.

Hi Anne, as always please

Mon, 08/26/2013 - 7:53am

Hi Anne, as always please feel free to contact me (or the other Moderators) with questions you may have on using the forum, and in the evenings after work I can help out.

So far as keeping track of conversations, two things can help:

1. Mouse over the Forum tab at top of the forum page, and select "Active" from the drop-down menu; it displays a list of topics most recently having active posts.

2. For topics you're most interested in, you can Subscribe to them and get email notification when new replies arrive. Do this by going to the first page of a topic, then at the bottom of the very first message, click on "Subscribe".

I urge you to try using the forum, it's really not all that different than using SRGC or even Facebook, as Daniel says, we're here to help.

deesen (not verified)

It might be "little different

Tue, 08/27/2013 - 11:52am

It might be "little different" in many ways Mark but it isn't in the same street as far as good old "user friendliness" is concerned and maybe this is what Anne is getting at.

I do miss a spell checker and I do miss smiley faces that give a wonderful emphasis to posts. When I'm composing a reply to a post I miss too the ability to just scroll down the page and refer to other posts a little further back in the thread.

Thanks for your feedback

Tue, 08/27/2013 - 2:12pm

Thanks for your feedback David, there is re-invigorated momentum to get some issues taken care of. The ability to see more than just one post when replying is being looked at.

As for spell checker it is built-in, in fact, I will spell baddly to shoow that it is werking, misspelled words in blue, haha. See screen capture of this message in progress. The blue background ABC button has been enabled to always be turned ON, and wrongly spelled words become underlined. If a word becomes underlined as you type, right-click the word for spell checker suggestions. Or wait until finishing your draft and spell check underlined words at the end, select only the underlined words you want, and don't bother spell checking Nomocharis, Fritillaria, and Helleborus, because you know you spelled them right, or add them to your spell checker dictionary.

Also, click on the blue-background ABC toolbar button, for more spell check options.

I hope that helps :-)

Anne Spiegel

Thanks, David, for supplying

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 5:09am

Thanks, David, for supplying the appropriate words. For me, the new forum is not user friendly.

Tony Willis (not verified)

Having probably got over the

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 9:34am

Having probably got over the issue of uploading photos which I found to be an absolute pig of a thing my biggest problem is the time it takes for the forum to load. It is like watching paint dry sat in front of my screen with the message 'waiting'.

As we are at the end of my season for a few weeks I will probably have to re-learn the picture posting.

I am trying to be supportive but it is very frustrating compared to the previous programme.