Just getting a bit colder here with the prospect of snow - which might hold the snowdrops back a bit. Can't really imagine what really cold continental winters are like. This is a good time to catch up on your reading. The Japanese ones on the top row are sumptuous collections of photos of hepaticas and hellebores, grown in the way only the Japanese can. The most thumbed volume is Graham Stuart Thomas's 'Perennial Garden Plants', a real bible when I started gardening... I am not sure whether my garden lives up to the books though, it always seems a little more weedy!
No snow or arctic conditions in the lower half of the planet . Those pictures from Newfoundland are amazing Today was supposed to be a sleep-in day but at 6.05 there was a clap of thunder above our house that woke everybody . The dog ( a collie) got such a fright she snapped her chain in half and I've just managed to find her . The back of my stationwagon is now open and she is sitting in there and will not come out . Poor thing . The thing that annoys me is that there was only one clap of thunder , not even a decent storm , that interrupted sleep-in day . Put your feet up and enjoy the reading Tim
I was also wondering how Todd was doing with all that snow- looks like wet heavy snow which we fortunately rarely get- and I heard they are getting freezing rain on top of that snow..
Our low yesterday morning was around -28, and Mon-Wed are forecast to be above freezing- +6C for Tuesday...
A quick hello from the Pacific Northwest -- clear blue skies, glorious sunshine, and 22˚F (-6˚C) this morning. High temperatures will barely climb above freezing today and lows will be below freezing for the rest of the week. Freezing fog coats leaves with ice crystals. Quite picturesque but the cold damage might be serious.
Hope that melts, Lis! As Lori said, we don't get much of that here- has to be some advantage to our climate...lol We did have rain forecast for mid-week but they've rescinded that for now- just 5-10cm snow again on Monday!
Claire and Trond- ah to live somewhere where -6C would be cold enough to be a concern! ;D Seriously, hope you don't have too many losses- we still haven't reached any of the lowest temperatures we could have by this time in winter- we haven't quite hit -30C and we could have had -40C(-40F) by now! So any plants that don't make it this winter are likely just not hardy enough (barring incorrect siting..).
I am not very concerned of the cold yet. Last year was bad with very mild January, February and March and then severe frost in April when the plants were in full growth:( It is better with cold weather now to prevent a too early start. I had to bring some pots with seedlings starting to sprout indoors yesterday. Among them were 3 pots of Helleborus seedlings.
Untimely warmth is dangerous- natives here are very conservative starting growth to avoid that risk, since we are guaranteed to have cold weather after warm weather in spring, but I'm sure exotics could be more at risk...
Been cold here in Reno about ten degrees below normal for us with little to no snow cover in the valleys. The cold air invertions have settled in so it didn't break the freezing mark in the last four days. It'll test the marginally hardy species. (about a dozen Aizoaceae I planted last summer) Should slowly warm up by the weekend.
Opposite for us, John- warm this week: well above freezing, even up to 7 oddly they just said on the weather that the only places warmer than Alberta today in North America are southern California and Southern Florida! Edmonton and Phoenix at the same temperature!..lol we'll be back to normal or below on the weekend..
Snow has an amazing effect on a garden - rather like comparing black and white and colour photos, but just with that hint of colour. Temperatures have dropped in south-east Britain to around -6°C, enough to stop much activity in the garden for a while. This sort of weather rarely lasts that long in the south, hence we have so many snowdrop gardens that open in February. Since we are opening for the first time this year in mid-Feb, touch wood it will warm up by then.
Tim, it looks cozy ;D Although the temp here is about the same, we have just 1cm of "snow" and expecting rain in a few days. Michael, I don't want your arctic tempest >:(
Oops! -12 F morning of 1-24-13. Pffff -there goes Convolvulus cneorum (Southern Spain native). The photo indicates the weather here; frigid, sunny hot, snow cover -sparse, humidity as near zero as it can get. The plant is at the south foot of an enclosed porch foundation, certainly one of the mildest places on my property, so there may be some life near the base of the plant. The other plant is Muehelenbeckia axillaris (New Zealand native). It goes underground for the winter and the dead top growth insulates it as well. It's never failed to return in spring for many years. There's an Agave (Southwestern USA native), which still looks OK and assorted cacti here too. Weather here currently cruel to all living things.
Hope it pulls through! That's a chilly morning -12F/-24C For comparison, we haven't been lower than around -20F/-29C.
This week we range from nights of -14 to -23C (6.8 to -9.4F) and days from +1 to -14C (33.8 to 6.8F) - typical weather here, but we still haven't had the -30/-40 we could have over winter.. still a decent snowcover from nearly bare under some trees to a foot or so in open areas and several feet where it's shovelled...
After a couple weeks with cold dry weather (the coldest in my garden was -12C/10F) the milder weather is back. A little snow last night but it will soon transform to rain. What I am afraid of is the soil freezing deep and damaging the tender roots and bulbs when there is no snow cover and prolonged cold weather.
Bundraba, my Convolvolus cneorum died two winters ago. It doesn't like our wet winters either :-\
The other night it was a difference of almost 50C between the coldest parts of Norway and the warmest. while we had +7C the coldest parts in north was down to -42. Tonight we'll get a rainstorm and flooding are expected and very high tide.
That's a lot of difference for a relatively small area- I guess that's what mountains and ocean currents will do for you!Today we have a 'snowfall warning'- not as extreme as that sounds- we've probably had at least 10-15 and maybe as much again on the way over the next day or two.. Canada's range for today (for cities) from +13C(Toronto) to -36C (Yellowknife)
Cooling off today; back to winter. Yesterday went from freezing; 32F to over 55F in a matter of hours: Air was hot, ground was cold. We don't get such a stripping of snow cover often. 4 inches of fresh snow plus pretty much all of the old snow is gone. Last night it rained. No significant snow expected in near term. Looking like cruel winter here for broadleafed evergreens. One group I don't worry about in this weather are steppe dwellers from the western USA. They get it at least as far as the weather here is concerned. I took some more pix this morning of Eritrichiums etc.
Hope your plants make it through the swings, Michael. Not surprisingly, we don't have a lot of broad leafed evergreens, and mostly low growing. Pyrolas here are often in sites that can be exposed for extensive periods in cold to very cold weather, and even in early spring are often exposed to dry winds while the ground is still frozen. By real thaw they can look a little rough, but seem to make it! Similarly, Ledum here, which grow in low spots with much deeper snow than some of the Pyrolas have are generally shorter and more beat up looking here than in the foothills where they have ( I think) more snow...
Cohan, Very interesting about your Pyrolas. I thought those liked to hide in woods, at least shaded deeply if not under some snow. I know of the Ledum and have three iterations growing here. Don Avery of Cady's Falls Nursery (Vermont) once said to me something to the effect of "I can't figure it out" with the Ledums; they seem tender in some nasty winters and quite solid in others! So far I've suffered with the same frustration regarding Ledums. Linnaea borealis will remain evergreen under snow, but, despite its broad northerly distribution burns badly if exposed. Mitchella repens and Gaultheria procumbens seem very resistant to freeze-drying though and Arctostaphylos uva-ursi seems tough, so there are a few that can handle it. Of these Mitchella is seemingly the only one that remains bright green. Nice things like Rhododendron; Phyllodoce; Erica; and I suspect Calluna (if it ever will grow here, maybe I can see for real!) are not happy about dry cold and sun as you suggest from findings in your own climate.
Some Pyrolas are alpine plants here growing in the belt of shrubs above the subalpine forests. They tolerate a lot of freezing although they usually are snowcovered from December. This goes for Linnea too. Ledum is growing in the coldest inland parts of Norway. I have never seen it in winter but assume they usually are snowcovered at least most winters. Phyllodoce is an alpine plant and stays green throughout the winter but grows under stable snow. Calluna and Arctostaphylos do best on windswept hills and ridges with little or no snow in winter although the tips of the branches of the heather get burnt. Mitchelia and Gaulteria are foreign ;)
The Pyrolas (mostly asarifolia, just a few elliptica) are super common here- they don't grow in full sun, but do grow from deep shade under spruce to quite open woods etc. I think in summer they are all fairly shaded, though some certainly get dappled sun. Some of the open areas though have small shrubs, grasses and forbs which would shade the plants in summer, but not in winter. Out snowfall depths vary hugely from one spot to another (even just a few metres away)-- the spruce and mixed woods can have very light snowcover even when there may be a foot or a foot and a half or more in open and low lying areas, So, some of those spots- especially at the base of a deciduous tree, facing south or west, may have very little snow which easily melts during warm spells leaving the plants fully exposed. Orthilia is common but not as abundant as Pyrola, and I think a similar set of exposures. Moneses is much shier and less common, I haven't seen any exposed, but there are far fewer. Linnaea here is also super common in a wide range of sites from very shady to nearly full sun- the difference I think is that it probably doesn't tolerate some of the driest sites (under some spruce) where Pyrola asarifolia will grow. I have seen Linnaea exposed in winter as well, though I can't say I've tracked those bits to see if they were damaged by the time spring arrived.. Unfortunately, I don't yet have any of those other nice Ericaceae etc! Not that many Rhodos hardy here, though I have seen some deciduous cultivars hybrids for sale that are supposed to be hardy.
We are in the midst of the storm here in southwestern Nova Scotia, though it hasn't been as terrible as anticipated (so far). This winter is going to be quite hard on some plants. We usually get a reasonable amount of snow that keeps the ground covered for the whole season, but this winter has been odd! Snow, then the warmth comes for a few days and all traces of the white stuff is gone, then the temperature plunges for a week or so, then the pattern repeats.We have gained and lost all snow cover several times this winter The other morning it was -20 C at 6:00 AM when I woke. One week ago we were skating on our pond, and the next day temperatures rose to +13 C for a day and a half. Most of the ice melted (it was at over 6" thick). Yesterday was the first time I was able to walk out on the ponds again.
We thought about starting a wager on which plants will survive this winter, and which will not. I somehow doubt that Euphorbia 'Tasmanian Tiger' will come back in the spring, and I have my doubts about Acanthus mollis as well. This is going to be a real test for a few other plants as well (Digitalis obscura, Kniphofia triangularis, to name a few). Hopefully the five Lysichiton camtschatcensis that were planted pondside will tough it out and show us what they can do here!
I have heard you are hit by a tremendous snow storm in eastern USA. How do you cope?
Well Trond, this was quite the storm. I was at a conference 2800 miles away in Las Vegas, Nevada, scheduled to fly back the same night as the predicted blizzard. Mid-week, I decided to cut the conference short by one day and managed to book the very last seat available on Delta. So glad I did that, over 5000 flights were canceled due to the storm, I would've been struck in Detroit sleeping on an airport floor for the weekend if I had not changed travel arrangements.
Its hard to tell how much snow we received due to the 50-60 mph winds (up to 75 mph along the coast), it roared and buffeted the house all night long. It looks like we easily reached the predicted 2' (60 cm) of white stuff. There is a State-wide travel ban in place, with threat of a stated $500 fine and up to a year in jail if caught traveling without emergency reasons; seems way over-the-top excessive, probably put out there as compliance by fear factor.
Good thing you got home ahead of it, Mark- 2 feet at once is a lot to deal with- we wouldn't be going anywhere for a couple/few days if we got that, since our back roads don't usually get plowed immediately, though highways are usually clear...
Meanwhile we continue with our mild 2013- temps this coming week from just above to just below zero daytime, with nothing lower than -13C at night; average is -3/-16C and we usually expect some spells much colder than that in Jan/Feb (we did have literally a couple of days in Jan that were cold) still plenty of snow on the ground however..
Regarding strict fines on a driving ban, we only heard of it many hours after it had been established. Had I been without power (400,000 MA residents were without power the morning after the storm started), or en route getting back home from one means or another unaware of such a restriction, without access to such announcements, or a hundred other legitimate reasons, such drivers would be totally unaware of such an edict. A year in prison for driving in such a case, without considering the circumstances of why a person might be driving, seems ridiculously extreme to the max. There would be a lesser consequence if one was a drug pusher. Geesh.
All I could think of... what if after some 20 something hours of airport travel and delays, finally managing to get back to Boston, then getting into my car in the long-term parking economy-lot, then starting my 50.2 mile drive from Boston to get home, but to be stopped and possibly imprisoned for 1 year for merely trying to drive home, unaware of any such draconian no-driving edict. One cannot use phone communications in a plane, and constant radio announcements are not forthcoming in mere seconds or minutes even if one were to turn on the car radio and attempt to listen to news vs. music, if I were attempting to drive back from the airport, how would I know of such a ban (never heard of one in the past). There are so many possible circumstances, given the short amount of time, with so many people without power or access to news, that a majority of the population would be unaware of such a restriction. Fortunately, I saw a number of articles the day of the storm stating police were not arresting people in the few cars out there. The State-wide ban was lifted at 4:00 pm.
Hi Mark: I have every sympathy for your "serious weather event" and feel so lucky to have escaped with only one day of the "Alberta Clipper's rage here. Thursday was a great day - had to do some driving but no problem on the roads. Londoners awoke to a "silent" dump of snow Friday morning and it was a day of digging and blowing the stuff out of driveways and off roads and sidewalks. However, yesterday, everything was back to "normal" and business as usual. I hear there were 5000 cancellations at the airport in TO and half a million people were without power. Guess St. John's Newfoundland is still reeling. Still like living by the ocean? Fran
Mark, good to hear you are sound and safe! Such a ban would be impossible here, then nobody could go anywhere during the winter :-\
At the moment I am at the mountain cabin. 2 ft snow, -15 - -20C (5 - -4F) no wind at all (very rare) but not much sun either. Nice crosscountry ski tour today.
Rick, you know, it is much better to dig into the snow than building an igloo if you have to overnight outside during winter ;) I've slept in the snow several times in my youth.
Lori, I take your point but we have our share as well! And sometimes we want to visit our inland neighbours ;D Pictues from the county where I live earlier this winter:
Trond, That's a lot of snow- pretty impressive infrastructure that they can even keep those roads open! No denying our winter is long, and we can have deep cold, but we are set up to handle that cold, so really, our winter is usually pretty trouble free-it's rare that it even takes more than a few extra minutes on the drive to work here after or during a snowstorm! I think somewhat warmer and wetter places seem to have much more turbulent and troublesome winters: ice storms, huge wet snow dumps etc-- tornadoes again in the southern U.S.!
I think somewhat warmer and wetter places seem to have much more turbulent and troublesome winters: ice storms, huge wet snow dumps etc
I think you're right, Cohan. I'm not liking this zone 5 weather we've been getting the past few years. We never used to have ice storms or humid spells in winter.
We get the swings, but just not as much moisture, generally... We've had some rain forecast several times this winter, but never got anything noticeable out of it.. Today had been forecast for rain as well, then they took it away, now for Rocky, west of us they say again possible rain showers this evening then 5-10cm of snow overnight.. for Red Deer, east of us, there is no rain, just possible 5 cm of snow... We could get anything between those two possibilities.. Yesterday's high was around +10C and Tuesday's high is -8...
It swings here too! It started in November and since then the temperature has oscillated in a regular manner but with much colder weather than normally here. The mean temperature for this winter is far lower than normal. This is from the closest weather station for the last two months:
We were mostly below average, but without the coldest temps we expect to have some of, from end of Oct until late Dec, and since then mostly above average with a few short colder spells.. still no -30 which is quite surprising! Luckily we did not get the rain yesterday, just another 5-8 cm of snow... They also took away the forecast for -8C- now our coldest day this is supposed to be -5C, with nights from -9C to -18C
Winter isn't done with us yet- not that I thought for a moment that it was- we've had snow on the ground for just under 5 months, this is this week's forecast;fortunately they removed the possible rain from tomorrow's forecast, there is already a lot of ice around from melting snow, we don't need rain to make it smoother:
Galanthus in full bloom today in northeast USA, were up 2 inches in early January, then snow covered. Then about 3/4 grown when last seen about a month ago, now snow mostly gone again yesterday, perhaps for the last time; but we can get snow rarely in May. Winter 2012 was winter-less, approaching zone 6b-7 though plant deaths didn't fit, perhaps because of little snow cover. Fairly consistent trend, here, of higher than normal low temperatures. Highs have been about normal this season, which is lower than the last several years. Voles and deer doing just fine -- as usual. (sigh!)
I'm wondering about voles here too- they've already had the shelter of snowcover for almost 5 months, and some time to go yet! We didn't get nearly as warm as forecast today, only around/just above the freezing mark, Lori's area was much warmer though.. I wish we had some members in Lethbridge, Alberta- seems they've barely had daytimes below the freezing mark this winter- really curious what gardening is like there- more like Denver? or..?
Well, we have barely had daytime temperatures above the freezing mark this winter :-\ The next week is supposed to be sunny and cold - as the last week and the week before that. . . . This will probably last all April too! Some people like it though - the skaters :-X
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Trond Hoy
Re: Weather 2013
Sat, 01/12/2013 - 1:03amI could need some of that snow to cover my plants in the arctic temperatures we have now! But without the wind of course :-\
Tim Ingram (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Sat, 01/12/2013 - 4:54amJust getting a bit colder here with the prospect of snow - which might hold the snowdrops back a bit. Can't really imagine what really cold continental winters are like. This is a good time to catch up on your reading. The Japanese ones on the top row are sumptuous collections of photos of hepaticas and hellebores, grown in the way only the Japanese can. The most thumbed volume is Graham Stuart Thomas's 'Perennial Garden Plants', a real bible when I started gardening... I am not sure whether my garden lives up to the books though, it always seems a little more weedy!
Steve Newall (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Sat, 01/12/2013 - 10:33amNo snow or arctic conditions in the lower half of the planet . Those pictures from Newfoundland are amazing
Today was supposed to be a sleep-in day but at 6.05 there was a clap of thunder above our house that woke everybody . The dog ( a collie) got such a fright she snapped her chain in half and I've just managed to find her . The back of my stationwagon is now open and she is sitting in there and will not come out . Poor thing .
The thing that annoys me is that there was only one clap of thunder , not even a decent storm , that interrupted sleep-in day .
Put your feet up and enjoy the reading Tim
cohan (not verified)
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Sat, 01/12/2013 - 11:25amI was also wondering how Todd was doing with all that snow- looks like wet heavy snow which we fortunately rarely get- and I heard they are getting freezing rain on top of that snow..
Our low yesterday morning was around -28, and Mon-Wed are forecast to be above freezing- +6C for Tuesday...
Richard T. Rodich
Re: Weather 2013
Sat, 01/12/2013 - 4:21pmMust be having some fierce winds there in Newfoundland.
All that snow, yet the tops e of roofs and cars are bare!
Lori S. (not verified)
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Sun, 01/13/2013 - 10:17amYikes, freezing rain is the worst! Luckily, it doesn't happen too often here. Be careful out there, Lis!
These things can be handy in such conditions:
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Claire Cockcroft
Re: Weather 2013
Sun, 01/13/2013 - 11:27amA quick hello from the Pacific Northwest -- clear blue skies, glorious sunshine, and 22˚F (-6˚C) this morning. High temperatures will barely climb above freezing today and lows will be below freezing for the rest of the week. Freezing fog coats leaves with ice crystals. Quite picturesque but the cold damage might be serious.
Trond Hoy
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Sun, 01/13/2013 - 1:25pmClaire, that's exactly the weather we have here too! The mets have predicted the same weather for at least a week more :-\
cohan (not verified)
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Sun, 01/13/2013 - 6:57pmHope that melts, Lis! As Lori said, we don't get much of that here- has to be some advantage to our climate...lol We did have rain forecast for mid-week but they've rescinded that for now- just 5-10cm snow again on Monday!
Claire and Trond- ah to live somewhere where -6C would be cold enough to be a concern! ;D Seriously, hope you don't have too many losses- we still haven't reached any of the lowest temperatures we could have by this time in winter- we haven't quite hit -30C and we could have had -40C(-40F) by now! So any plants that don't make it this winter are likely just not hardy enough (barring incorrect siting..).
Trond Hoy
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Mon, 01/14/2013 - 11:49amI am not very concerned of the cold yet. Last year was bad with very mild January, February and March and then severe frost in April when the plants were in full growth:(
It is better with cold weather now to prevent a too early start. I had to bring some pots with seedlings starting to sprout indoors yesterday. Among them were 3 pots of Helleborus seedlings.
cohan (not verified)
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Mon, 01/14/2013 - 7:21pmUntimely warmth is dangerous- natives here are very conservative starting growth to avoid that risk, since we are guaranteed to have cold weather after warm weather in spring, but I'm sure exotics could be more at risk...
John P. Weiser
Re: Weather 2013
Tue, 01/15/2013 - 5:59amBeen cold here in Reno about ten degrees below normal for us with little to no snow cover in the valleys. The cold air invertions have settled in so it didn't break the freezing mark in the last four days. It'll test the marginally hardy species. (about a dozen Aizoaceae I planted last summer) Should slowly warm up by the weekend.
cohan (not verified)
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Tue, 01/15/2013 - 11:19amOpposite for us, John- warm this week: well above freezing, even up to 7 oddly they just said on the weather that the only places warmer than Alberta today in North America are southern California and Southern Florida! Edmonton and Phoenix at the same temperature!..lol we'll be back to normal or below on the weekend..
Tim Ingram (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Tue, 01/22/2013 - 4:05amSnow has an amazing effect on a garden - rather like comparing black and white and colour photos, but just with that hint of colour. Temperatures have dropped in south-east Britain to around -6°C, enough to stop much activity in the garden for a while. This sort of weather rarely lasts that long in the south, hence we have so many snowdrop gardens that open in February. Since we are opening for the first time this year in mid-Feb, touch wood it will warm up by then.
Michael Peden
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Tue, 01/22/2013 - 7:48amTim, We are sending another arctic tempest your way. It should arrive by the end of the month. Cheers!
Trond Hoy
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Tue, 01/22/2013 - 8:35amTim, it looks cozy ;D Although the temp here is about the same, we have just 1cm of "snow" and expecting rain in a few days.
Michael, I don't want your arctic tempest >:(
cohan (not verified)
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Tue, 01/22/2013 - 10:31amGreat views, Tim! Snow does really change things- no surprise- good time to really look at the bones of the garden!
Michael Peden
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Fri, 01/25/2013 - 7:25amOops! -12 F morning of 1-24-13. Pffff -there goes Convolvulus cneorum (Southern Spain native). The photo indicates the weather here; frigid, sunny hot, snow cover -sparse, humidity as near zero as it can get. The plant is at the south foot of an enclosed porch foundation, certainly one of the mildest places on my property, so there may be some life near the base of the plant. The other plant is Muehelenbeckia axillaris (New Zealand native). It goes underground for the winter and the dead top growth insulates it as well. It's never failed to return in spring for many years. There's an Agave (Southwestern USA native), which still looks OK and assorted cacti here too. Weather here currently cruel to all living things.
cohan (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Fri, 01/25/2013 - 10:52amHope it pulls through! That's a chilly morning -12F/-24C For comparison, we haven't been lower than around -20F/-29C.
This week we range from nights of -14 to -23C (6.8 to -9.4F) and days from +1 to -14C (33.8 to 6.8F) - typical weather here, but we still haven't had the -30/-40 we could have over winter.. still a decent snowcover from nearly bare under some trees to a foot or so in open areas and several feet where it's shovelled...
Trond Hoy
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Sat, 01/26/2013 - 12:00amAfter a couple weeks with cold dry weather (the coldest in my garden was -12C/10F) the milder weather is back. A little snow last night but it will soon transform to rain. What I am afraid of is the soil freezing deep and damaging the tender roots and bulbs when there is no snow cover and prolonged cold weather.
Bundraba, my Convolvolus cneorum died two winters ago. It doesn't like our wet winters either :-\
cohan (not verified)
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Sat, 01/26/2013 - 11:21amNo such thing as unfrozen soil here, the plants have to be able to take it!
cohan (not verified)
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Tue, 01/29/2013 - 11:02amChilly one today- high of -23C with windchill of -38C, but it's a one day thing-- -11 tomorrow and above freezing the rest of the week..
Trond Hoy
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Tue, 01/29/2013 - 1:24pmThe other night it was a difference of almost 50C between the coldest parts of Norway and the warmest. while we had +7C the coldest parts in north was down to -42.
Tonight we'll get a rainstorm and flooding are expected and very high tide.
cohan (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Wed, 01/30/2013 - 11:58amThat's a lot of difference for a relatively small area- I guess that's what mountains and ocean currents will do for you!Today we have a 'snowfall warning'- not as extreme as that sounds- we've probably had at least 10-15 and maybe as much again on the way over the next day or two..
Canada's range for today (for cities) from +13C(Toronto) to -36C (Yellowknife)
Michael Peden
Re: Weather 2013
Thu, 01/31/2013 - 8:51amCooling off today; back to winter. Yesterday went from freezing; 32F to over 55F in a matter of hours: Air was hot, ground was cold. We don't get such a stripping of snow cover often. 4 inches of fresh snow plus pretty much all of the old snow is gone. Last night it rained. No significant snow expected in near term. Looking like cruel winter here for broadleafed evergreens. One group I don't worry about in this weather are steppe dwellers from the western USA. They get it at least as far as the weather here is concerned. I took some more pix this morning of Eritrichiums etc.
cohan (not verified)
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Thu, 01/31/2013 - 9:48amHope your plants make it through the swings, Michael. Not surprisingly, we don't have a lot of broad leafed evergreens, and mostly low growing. Pyrolas here are often in sites that can be exposed for extensive periods in cold to very cold weather, and even in early spring are often exposed to dry winds while the ground is still frozen. By real thaw they can look a little rough, but seem to make it! Similarly, Ledum here, which grow in low spots with much deeper snow than some of the Pyrolas have are generally shorter and more beat up looking here than in the foothills where they have ( I think) more snow...
Michael Peden
Re: Weather 2013
Fri, 02/01/2013 - 7:03amCohan, Very interesting about your Pyrolas. I thought those liked to hide in woods, at least shaded deeply if not under some snow. I know of the Ledum and have three iterations growing here. Don Avery of Cady's Falls Nursery (Vermont) once said to me something to the effect of "I can't figure it out" with the Ledums; they seem tender in some nasty winters and quite solid in others! So far I've suffered with the same frustration regarding Ledums. Linnaea borealis will remain evergreen under snow, but, despite its broad northerly distribution burns badly if exposed. Mitchella repens and Gaultheria procumbens seem very resistant to freeze-drying though and Arctostaphylos uva-ursi seems tough, so there are a few that can handle it. Of these Mitchella is seemingly the only one that remains bright green. Nice things like Rhododendron; Phyllodoce; Erica; and I suspect Calluna (if it ever will grow here, maybe I can see for real!) are not happy about dry cold and sun as you suggest from findings in your own climate.
Trond Hoy
Re: Weather 2013
Fri, 02/01/2013 - 9:13amSome Pyrolas are alpine plants here growing in the belt of shrubs above the subalpine forests. They tolerate a lot of freezing although they usually are snowcovered from December. This goes for Linnea too. Ledum is growing in the coldest inland parts of Norway. I have never seen it in winter but assume they usually are snowcovered at least most winters. Phyllodoce is an alpine plant and stays green throughout the winter but grows under stable snow. Calluna and Arctostaphylos do best on windswept hills and ridges with little or no snow in winter although the tips of the branches of the heather get burnt.
Mitchelia and Gaulteria are foreign ;)
cohan (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Fri, 02/01/2013 - 10:48amThe Pyrolas (mostly asarifolia, just a few elliptica) are super common here- they don't grow in full sun, but do grow from deep shade under spruce to quite open woods etc. I think in summer they are all fairly shaded, though some certainly get dappled sun. Some of the open areas though have small shrubs, grasses and forbs which would shade the plants in summer, but not in winter. Out snowfall depths vary hugely from one spot to another (even just a few metres away)-- the spruce and mixed woods can have very light snowcover even when there may be a foot or a foot and a half or more in open and low lying areas, So, some of those spots- especially at the base of a deciduous tree, facing south or west, may have very little snow which easily melts during warm spells leaving the plants fully exposed. Orthilia is common but not as abundant as Pyrola, and I think a similar set of exposures. Moneses is much shier and less common, I haven't seen any exposed, but there are far fewer.
Linnaea here is also super common in a wide range of sites from very shady to nearly full sun- the difference I think is that it probably doesn't tolerate some of the driest sites (under some spruce) where Pyrola asarifolia will grow. I have seen Linnaea exposed in winter as well, though I can't say I've tracked those bits to see if they were damaged by the time spring arrived..
Unfortunately, I don't yet have any of those other nice Ericaceae etc! Not that many Rhodos hardy here, though I have seen some deciduous cultivars hybrids for sale that are supposed to be hardy.
Trond Hoy
Re: Weather 2013
Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:43pmI have heard you are hit by a tremendous snow storm in eastern USA. How do you cope?
Gordon Tingley
Re: Weather 2013
Sat, 02/09/2013 - 4:43amWe are in the midst of the storm here in southwestern Nova Scotia, though it hasn't been as terrible as anticipated (so far). This winter is going to be quite hard on some plants. We usually get a reasonable amount of snow that keeps the ground covered for the whole season, but this winter has been odd! Snow, then the warmth comes for a few days and all traces of the white stuff is gone, then the temperature plunges for a week or so, then the pattern repeats.We have gained and lost all snow cover several times this winter The other morning it was -20 C at 6:00 AM when I woke. One week ago we were skating on our pond, and the next day temperatures rose to +13 C for a day and a half. Most of the ice melted (it was at over 6" thick). Yesterday was the first time I was able to walk out on the ponds again.
We thought about starting a wager on which plants will survive this winter, and which will not. I somehow doubt that Euphorbia 'Tasmanian Tiger' will come back in the spring, and I have my doubts about Acanthus mollis as well. This is going to be a real test for a few other plants as well (Digitalis obscura, Kniphofia triangularis, to name a few). Hopefully the five Lysichiton camtschatcensis that were planted pondside will tough it out and show us what they can do here!
Mark McDonough
Re: Weather 2013
Sat, 02/09/2013 - 8:50amWell Trond, this was quite the storm. I was at a conference 2800 miles away in Las Vegas, Nevada, scheduled to fly back the same night as the predicted blizzard. Mid-week, I decided to cut the conference short by one day and managed to book the very last seat available on Delta. So glad I did that, over 5000 flights were canceled due to the storm, I would've been struck in Detroit sleeping on an airport floor for the weekend if I had not changed travel arrangements.
Its hard to tell how much snow we received due to the 50-60 mph winds (up to 75 mph along the coast), it roared and buffeted the house all night long. It looks like we easily reached the predicted 2' (60 cm) of white stuff. There is a State-wide travel ban in place, with threat of a stated $500 fine and up to a year in jail if caught traveling without emergency reasons; seems way over-the-top excessive, probably put out there as compliance by fear factor.
I know what I'll be doing all afternoon ;)
cohan (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:27amGood thing you got home ahead of it, Mark- 2 feet at once is a lot to deal with- we wouldn't be going anywhere for a couple/few days if we got that, since our back roads don't usually get plowed immediately, though highways are usually clear...
Meanwhile we continue with our mild 2013- temps this coming week from just above to just below zero daytime, with nothing lower than -13C at night; average is -3/-16C and we usually expect some spells much colder than that in Jan/Feb (we did have literally a couple of days in Jan that were cold) still plenty of snow on the ground however..
Richard T. Rodich
Re: Weather 2013
Sat, 02/09/2013 - 7:53pmMark, should I send you my snowshoes? :D
With that kind of wind, Mark, you might be able to cut snow blocks for igloo building. 8)
Mark McDonough
Re: Weather 2013
Sat, 02/09/2013 - 9:00pmRegarding strict fines on a driving ban, we only heard of it many hours after it had been established. Had I been without power (400,000 MA residents were without power the morning after the storm started), or en route getting back home from one means or another unaware of such a restriction, without access to such announcements, or a hundred other legitimate reasons, such drivers would be totally unaware of such an edict. A year in prison for driving in such a case, without considering the circumstances of why a person might be driving, seems ridiculously extreme to the max. There would be a lesser consequence if one was a drug pusher. Geesh.
All I could think of... what if after some 20 something hours of airport travel and delays, finally managing to get back to Boston, then getting into my car in the long-term parking economy-lot, then starting my 50.2 mile drive from Boston to get home, but to be stopped and possibly imprisoned for 1 year for merely trying to drive home, unaware of any such draconian no-driving edict. One cannot use phone communications in a plane, and constant radio announcements are not forthcoming in mere seconds or minutes even if one were to turn on the car radio and attempt to listen to news vs. music, if I were attempting to drive back from the airport, how would I know of such a ban (never heard of one in the past). There are so many possible circumstances, given the short amount of time, with so many people without power or access to news, that a majority of the population would be unaware of such a restriction. Fortunately, I saw a number of articles the day of the storm stating police were not arresting people in the few cars out there. The State-wide ban was lifted at 4:00 pm.
Howey (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Sun, 02/10/2013 - 4:28amHi Mark: I have every sympathy for your "serious weather event" and feel so lucky to have escaped with only one day of the "Alberta Clipper's rage here. Thursday was a great day - had to do some driving but no problem on the roads. Londoners awoke to a "silent" dump of snow Friday morning and it was a day of digging and blowing the stuff out of driveways and off roads and sidewalks. However, yesterday, everything was back to "normal" and business as usual. I hear there were 5000 cancellations at the airport in TO and half a million people were without power. Guess St. John's Newfoundland is still reeling. Still like living by the ocean? Fran
deesen (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:27amSounds as though we are not the only nation having legislators with little sense!
Trond Hoy
Re: Weather 2013
Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:01pmMark, good to hear you are sound and safe!
Such a ban would be impossible here, then nobody could go anywhere during the winter :-\
At the moment I am at the mountain cabin. 2 ft snow, -15 - -20C (5 - -4F) no wind at all (very rare) but not much sun either. Nice crosscountry ski tour today.
Rick, you know, it is much better to dig into the snow than building an igloo if you have to overnight outside during winter ;) I've slept in the snow several times in my youth.
Lori S. (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Sun, 02/10/2013 - 2:31pmGee, I keep forgetting how tough those zone 8 winters are... ;D ;D
Trond Hoy
Re: Weather 2013
Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:41pmLori, I take your point but we have our share as well! And sometimes we want to visit our inland neighbours ;D
Pictues from the county where I live earlier this winter:
http://www.yr.no/nyheter/1.10843619
Or take a trip to the mountains ;) Although this is not far from the coast.
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/rogaland/jaeren/1.10841263
cohan (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Mon, 02/11/2013 - 10:38amTrond, That's a lot of snow- pretty impressive infrastructure that they can even keep those roads open! No denying our winter is long, and we can have deep cold, but we are set up to handle that cold, so really, our winter is usually pretty trouble free-it's rare that it even takes more than a few extra minutes on the drive to work here after or during a snowstorm! I think somewhat warmer and wetter places seem to have much more turbulent and troublesome winters: ice storms, huge wet snow dumps etc-- tornadoes again in the southern U.S.!
Richard T. Rodich
Re: Weather 2013
Mon, 02/11/2013 - 7:03pmI think you're right, Cohan. I'm not liking this zone 5 weather we've been getting the past few years.
We never used to have ice storms or humid spells in winter.
cohan (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Tue, 02/12/2013 - 12:16amI hope they don't move any farther north....
cohan (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Sat, 02/16/2013 - 5:02pmWe get the swings, but just not as much moisture, generally... We've had some rain forecast several times this winter, but never got anything noticeable out of it.. Today had been forecast for rain as well, then they took it away, now for Rocky, west of us they say again possible rain showers this evening then 5-10cm of snow overnight.. for Red Deer, east of us, there is no rain, just possible 5 cm of snow... We could get anything between those two possibilities..
Yesterday's high was around +10C and Tuesday's high is -8...
Trond Hoy
Re: Weather 2013
Sat, 02/16/2013 - 11:14pmIt swings here too! It started in November and since then the temperature has oscillated in a regular manner but with much colder weather than normally here. The mean temperature for this winter is far lower than normal.

This is from the closest weather station for the last two months:
cohan (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Sun, 02/17/2013 - 4:20pmWe were mostly below average, but without the coldest temps we expect to have some of, from end of Oct until late Dec, and since then mostly above average with a few short colder spells.. still no -30 which is quite surprising! Luckily we did not get the rain yesterday, just another 5-8 cm of snow... They also took away the forecast for -8C- now our coldest day this is supposed to be -5C, with nights from -9C to -18C
cohan (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Tue, 03/12/2013 - 11:17pmWinter isn't done with us yet- not that I thought for a moment that it was- we've had snow on the ground for just under 5 months, this is this week's forecast;fortunately they removed the possible rain from tomorrow's forecast, there is already a lot of ice around from melting snow, we don't need rain to make it smoother:
externmed (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Wed, 03/13/2013 - 6:30pmGalanthus in full bloom today in northeast USA, were up 2 inches in early January, then snow covered. Then about 3/4 grown when last seen about a month ago, now snow mostly gone again yesterday, perhaps for the last time; but we can get snow rarely in May.
Winter 2012 was winter-less, approaching zone 6b-7 though plant deaths didn't fit, perhaps because of little snow cover.
Fairly consistent trend, here, of higher than normal low temperatures. Highs have been about normal this season, which is lower than the last several years.
Voles and deer doing just fine -- as usual. (sigh!)
cohan (not verified)
Re: Weather 2013
Wed, 03/13/2013 - 8:14pmI'm wondering about voles here too- they've already had the shelter of snowcover for almost 5 months, and some time to go yet!
We didn't get nearly as warm as forecast today, only around/just above the freezing mark, Lori's area was much warmer though..
I wish we had some members in Lethbridge, Alberta- seems they've barely had daytimes below the freezing mark this winter- really curious what gardening is like there- more like Denver? or..?
Trond Hoy
Re: Weather 2013
Fri, 03/15/2013 - 11:49pmWell, we have barely had daytime temperatures above the freezing mark this winter :-\ The next week is supposed to be sunny and cold - as the last week and the week before that. . . . This will probably last all April too! Some people like it though - the skaters :-X
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