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How's this for a long shot? Anisotome latifolia/imbricata?? - bought from Beaver Creek at the CRAGS Plant Sale - very interesting foliage! If it survives, it will need to be moved... but I don't think I'll put any rush on that.... ;D EDIT: And I guess it wouldn't need to be moved after all...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisotome_latifolia
http://www.nzpcn.org.nz/flora_details.asp?ID=365

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Tim Ingram (not verified)

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 10:34am

That is one of the most stunning alpine umbels - very good luck with it! There is a fine grower down here in Kent, Nigel Fuller, famous for his skill with Dionysias. He also grows the Anisotome beautifully but only in a pot.

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Trond Hoy

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 1:39pm

You haven't been to Campbell Island to collect seed of the carrot yourself, Lori?

Campbell Island is a place well worth visiting I think. One of my dreams . . .

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Margaret Young

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 1:43pm

Lori, I know it's a young plant.... but it bears an uncanny resemblence to Anisotome imbricata... which is a super rock garden subject and so would'n't need moving as it's not going to make 2m plus!  :-\

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Cliff Booker

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 2:20pm
IMYoung wrote:

Lori, I know it's a young plant.... but it bears an uncanny resemblence to Anisotome imbricata... which is a super rock garden subject and so would'n't need moving as it's not going to make 2m plus!   :-\

I tend to agree with Maggi and Ian ... my only experience of growing Anisotome latifolia produced a plant larger in all it's parts ... a potential megaherb in the making, quite fitting of course for a plant from such a habitat.

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Toole (not verified)

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 3:10pm

Here's a couple of shots of Anisotome latifolia in the garden here Lori for comparison.
It hasn't flowered yet,probably needs more sun  :-\ .

The 2nd link you gave is of the New Zealand Plant Conservation Network website --a wonderful resource for IDing New Zealanders,(the plants that is ......  ;)  ;D ).

In one of the website's Anisotome pics there is a view also of Bulbinella rossii.
My plant is slowly clumping up in shade ---3 flowering stems last November plus a couple of immature ones.

Cheers Dave.  

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Lori S. (not verified)

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 4:32pm

No, Trond, I only travelled as far as the south-central end of the city to get it...  ;D ... though I certainly would have liked to pick it up from its native land.

Thank you for posting the photos, Dave.  It sounds like an extraordinary plant!  The Bulbinella is exquisite!

Maggi and Cliff, this particular plant certainly does look like A. imbricata (despite the label)... Well, that's even more interesting!  Can anyone else comment on its ID from the photo?  How does one distinguish the two species as immature plants, I wonder?  (I can get better and additional photos if need be.)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uYdLH-IM33w/ScCsNgYg4-I/AAAAAAAAGJA/IanwD7Y47E...

By the way, Maggi, you clearly have an encyclopedic memory!!  Amazing! :o :)

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Tim Ingram (not verified)

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 7:46am

That's interesting - I just looked at the photo and took no notice of the name! Oh well a rose by any other name should be so sweet!

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Lori S. (not verified)

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 4:08pm

I didn't ask, though I imagine advice would have been available.  (I'm used to just trying plants to see what happens - a lot more fun that way!  There is no discouragement from trying anything!)  If I remember, I will ask around.

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cohan (not verified)

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 4:14pm

Keeps life interesting...lol.. opposite to the local gardeners I mentioned in another thread...lol

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Toole (not verified)

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 11:28pm
Skulski wrote:

 The Bulbinella is exquisite!

Thanks Lori.It's a beauty all right.

Hoy wrote:

Dave, that Bulbinella rossi is stunning! do you say it is shade tolerant? How hardy is it?

Hello Trond

Found in the Sub Antarctic islands ,(just up the road so to speak from permanent ice  ;D) it should be as tough as 'old boots'.

Has been moved around when smaller --i found that in full sun here ,quite a few hundred kilometres warmer than its natural setting ,the plant sulked.

Years ago i had an enquiry via the Uk for a few thousand seeds ---chance would be a fine thing as it has never set seed.  :'( :'( ( although i might have a dabble with a brush later this year).

Cheers Dave.

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Stephen Barstow

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 12:31am

I was given a couple of Anisotome when I visited the Tromsø Botanical Gardens a couple of years ago -  Anisotome hastii and A. aromatica; both survived the first winter but didn't flower, but hastii seems to have died during the winter. I just had a proper look at aromatica - it certainly is aromatic but seems to have metamorphosised into Meum athamanticum. Oh well.....

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Margaret Young

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 6:55am
Quote:

By the way, Maggi, you clearly have an encyclopedic memory!!  Amazing!

Sadly, Lori, my memory is like most of the leaves in my garden.... chewed full of holes! :rolleyes:

The photo by Jim Almond in that link is of A. imbricata var imbricata, I think... now, is "plain" A. imbricata just a little larger in all its parts? That's what I remember but I'm not sure.

t00lie, the Bulbinella is yummy!

Maggi

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Trond Hoy

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 12:36pm
Toole wrote:

Skulski wrote:

 The Bulbinella is exquisite!

Thanks Lori.It's a beauty all right.

Hoy wrote:

Dave, that Bulbinella rossi is stunning! do you say it is shade tolerant? How hardy is it?

Hello Trond

Found in the Sub Antarctic islands ,(just up the road so to speak from permanent ice  ;D) it should be as tough as 'old boots'.

Has been moved around when smaller --i found that in full sun here ,quite a few hundred kilometres warmer than its natural setting ,the plant sulked.

Years ago i had an enquiry via the Uk for a few thousand seeds ---chance would be a fine thing as it has never set seed.  :'( :'( ( although i might have a dabble with a brush later this year).

Cheers Dave.

Ok, thanks, Dave. As it is subarctic temperatures here sometimes and not very warm in summers either, it seems that that Bulbinella would have a chance here! . . . if I ever get hold of seed s or plants :D

I had another Bulbinella for several years, I think it was B hookeri if I recall right.

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Toole (not verified)

Wed, 06/01/2011 - 3:31am
IMYoung wrote:

The photo by Jim Almond in that link is of A. imbricata var imbricata, I think... now, is "plain" A. imbricata just a little larger in all its parts? That's what I remember but I'm not sure.

t00lie, the Bulbinella is yummy!

Maggi

Thanks Maggi

The smaller species is A.imbricata var prostrata .

Here's a pic i took a couple of seasons ago of Anisotome imbricata var imbricata flowering in cushion field .

Cheers Dave

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Stephen Barstow

Wed, 06/01/2011 - 6:28am
Hoy wrote:

I had another Bulbinella for several years, I think it was B hookeri if I recall right.

Did it overwinter outside? Can't recall having seen Bulbinellas in Norway before - I've tried hookeri and one other, they flower in the first year, but I've failed to overwinter them outside or inside. They didn't have it in the NZ collection at the Stavanger Botanics either. Have seen it outside in the UK though..

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Toole (not verified)

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 1:21am
Skulski wrote:

Beautiful photo, Dave!

The plants (2) I bought labelled as A. latifolia certainly do look like this photo of A. imbricata:

http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+0000+1204+0799

A couple of thanks Lori--not only for your comment above but also because while i was searching on a portable hard drive for the Anisotome in cushion field shot for you i found a number of 'missing'   :rolleyes: folders of various field trips in 2008/9.   :) :) :)  

Although i'm only a 'lay' person ,i was never in any doubt that your plant was Anisotome imbricata var imbricata ---perhaps i should have said that earlier.

Hoy/ Stephen

I've never tried Bulbinella hookerii however B.angustifolia grows so well here i have to remember to deadhead .When coming into growth the foliage has a wonderful brown/orange tinge as it breaks through the ground.

A couple of pics --showing it in the garden

Followed by foliage in the wild.  

Cheers Dave.

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cohan (not verified)

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 12:31pm

Dave, the Bulbinellas are pretty cool, and an excuse to see some views of your garden is welcome--looks like a fun plantsman's garden where lots of time could be spent looking and hearing stories!

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Lori S. (not verified)

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 10:34pm
Toole wrote:

i was never in any doubt that your plant was Anisotome imbricata var imbricata ---perhaps i should have said that earlier.

That's great to hear!  Thanks very much for the confirmation of ID!

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Toole (not verified)

Fri, 06/03/2011 - 7:01pm
cohan wrote:

Dave, the Bulbinellas are pretty cool, and an excuse to see some views of your garden is welcome--looks like a fun plantsman's garden where lots of time could be spent looking and hearing stories!

Thanks Cohan
I have to admit that I've got this internal battle waging between wanting a balanced garden in terms of scale ,colour ,looking attractive etc etc,verses having a passion to grow as many suitable plants from seed as possible .....

Not sure which side is winning the battle , however I'll leave you with the following shot as an indication of how desperate I'm for space....... ;D  

Cheers Dave.

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cohan (not verified)

Fri, 06/03/2011 - 8:43pm
Toole wrote:

Thanks Cohan
I have to admit that I've got this internal battle waging between wanting a balanced garden in terms of scale ,colour ,looking attractive etc etc,verses having a passion to grow as many suitable plants from seed as possible .....

Not sure which side is winning the battle , however I'll leave you with the following shot as an indication of how desperate I'm for space....... ;D  

Cheers Dave.

Lol-- I can relate, on a lesser scale-- I've been sowing things for the last couple of years, not in huge numbers, but at a rate exceeding that at which I am preparing planting spaces! So, the pots accumulate...

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Trond Hoy

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 2:52am
Stephenb wrote:

Hoy wrote:

I had another Bulbinella for several years, I think it was B hookeri if I recall right.

Did it overwinter outside? Can't recall having seen Bulbinellas in Norway before - I've tried hookeri and one other, they flower in the first year, but I've failed to overwinter them outside or inside. They didn't have it in the NZ collection at the Stavanger Botanics either. Have seen it outside in the UK though..

Yes, I had it outside for several years. It was from seed - probably Thompson & Morgan - and I think it was swamped by other plants, not winterkilled.

BTW  Stephen, are you still interested in the "strandkvann" - Angelica archangelica litoralis? I am at my summerhouse for the weekend and can collect a few (small) plants if you like.

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Tim Ingram (not verified)

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 5:06am

If you sow lots of seed you really have to start a small nursery! And then you have even more hundreds of pots!! But there is nothing like pricking out seedlings.

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Trond Hoy

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 1:43pm

Here are some for a starter ;D What about Allium scorodoprasum?

 

cohan wrote:

Toole wrote:

Thanks Cohan
I have to admit that I've got this internal battle waging between wanting a balanced garden in terms of scale ,colour ,looking attractive etc etc,verses having a passion to grow as many suitable plants from seed as possible .....

Not sure which side is winning the battle , however I'll leave you with the following shot as an indication of how desperate I'm for space....... ;D  

Cheers Dave.

Lol-- I can relate, on a lesser scale-- I've been sowing things for the last couple of years, not in huge numbers, but at a rate exceeding that at which I am preparing planting spaces! So, the pots accumulate...

I recognise that dilemma!

PS Dave, the Bulbinella angustifolia looks nice too!