The first pulsatilla showing some colour : Pulsatilla chinensis
This species is an interesting challenge, most difficult to find any images of the true species. In China it is used extensively in herbal medicine, so googling will reveal mostly herbal web sites where they'll throw in a photo of most any Pulsatilla or Anemone species. What makes this species distinctive is the broad and less divided foliage, typically just trifoliate and possibly with some smaller leaf divisions, unlike the much more dissected leaves of species like P. vulgaris. It seems that in cultivation, much of what is labeled as P. chinensis is misidentified, with P. vulgaris the usual result.
However, I did find a few photos of true P. chinensis, which shows the distinctive broad modestly divided foliage.
This one was labeled as P. chinensis, but might actually be P. cernua based on the leaflet lobes more deeply divided, and semi-nodding buds, but otherwise close to P. chinensis: http://plant.cqla.cn/06/MG11A_baitouweng002.JPG
Luc, if I were to venture a guess, I'd guess that you have a lovely form of P. vulgaris, a beautiful garden plant in its own right.
The leaves of P chinensis is more like the leaves of P vernalisthan any other species I have seen!
Based on your photo Trond, true enough. In your photo of P. vernalis, I see the involucral bracts are very dissected and super fuzzy; what stands our for me on P. chinensis (and P. cernua too), is the mostly entire bract segments that are mildly pilose and without the usual puff of fuzz, which gives it a distinct look (although we all love the fluffy puffs on many Pulsatilla species).
Luc, if I were to venture a guess, I'd guess that you have a lovely form of P. vulgaris, a beautiful garden plant in its own right.
Mark, you could be very right. The foliage of the plant on the photo is indeed very different from what I see here. I'll edit the posting. Thanks for your time.
Glorious shade of light blue, my favorite color. How true does "Budapest seedstrain" come from seed, and if one has lots of various color Pulsatilla vulgarisplants nearby, will the strain degenerate into something other than what is qualified as the "Budapest seedstrain". I have seen photos of this seed strain labeled as "Budapest" and they have always appeared as superior ethereal blue-flowered forms.
Beautiful, Luc! What strong, healthy plants and what a profusion of bloom!
What is the origin of your P. patens? It's very different from the appearance of the native species that occurs here, in the form, flower colour and nodding buds. I realize that P. patens is also a Eurasian species (not just North American), but can the forms really be that different? Here are some photos of the species in the wild in this area: http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=67.0
Ditto what Lori said about the American Pulsatilla patens. The Minnesota native type can also be seen on that same thread.
Nevertheless, those are some very well grown plants! Do the flower stems continue to elongate as the flower ages, as they do with Pulsatilla turczaninovii?
What species are involved with P. x gayeri?
Rick
P.S. Did you mean Pulsatilla georgica instead of georgii?
This is the only one beginning bloom in my garden, as of yet: a very nice form, in my opinion, of Pulsatilla vulgaris. (I don't grow P. patens myself.)
Beautiful, Luc! What strong, healthy plants and what a profusion of bloom!
What is the origin of your P. patens? It's very different from the appearance of the native species that occurs here, in the form, flower colour and nodding buds. I realize that P. patens is also a Eurasian species (not just North American), but can the forms really be that different? Here are some photos of the species in the wild in this area: http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=67.0
Lori, to be honoust I have doubts about its naming for some time. The plant looks more like a P. pratensis type to me. I have a plant labelled P. pratensis ssp. bohemica that looks close to this one. See the picture below. I was told that the plant (with name P. patens) in the picture above was grown from seeds collected in Primovice, Slowak Rep.
P.S. Did you mean Pulsatilla georgica instead of georgii?
The plant was originally labelled "Pulsatilla georgei" but it must be "P. georgica" no doubt. It is a relatively small plant with small, light blue, hairy flowers.
I don't know much about P. gayeri. Got it from Gothenborg Botanics. It looks to me as P. vulgaris is involved.
Posted elsewhere but I think they belong here too ;D Although the "mogop" is a Norwegian native I have planted these in the meadow here as they were exterminated many years ago when my father-in-law was a boy due to grazing livestock.
Great you could re-introduce :) Was it a Norwegian clone? are they spreading?
It is different sources. Some are plants I have collected as seedlings a place they are in abundance, others are seedlings I have bought. I haven't seen seedlings here yet but they haven't bloomed for more than a few years (and some years the flowers or the seedheads have been destroyed by grazing animals). I intend to help by collecting seed and plant.
There is a name found in IPNI.ORG as Pulsatilla gayeri Simonk., reference Magyar Bot. Lapok v. 179 (1906), with the note: Hybr (probably indicating "Hybrid"). Judging from a search through Tropicos, The Plant List, google, and other references, it would seem this is a phantom species and not a current recognized taxonomic entity, probably representing a P. vulgaris hybrid. I see it listed variably as P. x gayeri and P. vulgaris 'Gayeri', and under the various names there are hits on Flickr image galleries and such.
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Mark McDonough
Re: Pulsatilla
Tue, 03/22/2011 - 7:36amThis species is an interesting challenge, most difficult to find any images of the true species. In China it is used extensively in herbal medicine, so googling will reveal mostly herbal web sites where they'll throw in a photo of most any Pulsatilla or Anemone species. What makes this species distinctive is the broad and less divided foliage, typically just trifoliate and possibly with some smaller leaf divisions, unlike the much more dissected leaves of species like P. vulgaris. It seems that in cultivation, much of what is labeled as P. chinensis is misidentified, with P. vulgaris the usual result.
However, I did find a few photos of true P. chinensis, which shows the distinctive broad modestly divided foliage.
Pulsatilla chinensis in Flora of China:
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008054
...illustration (right hand side, items 1-4), notice broad 3-lobed leaves, prominent involucral bracts (not particularly fuzzy with hairs), flowers erect before anthesis, the erect flower disposition separating it from the closely allied P. cernua with nodding buds.
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=39968&flora_id=2
Pulsatilla chinensis photo:
http://www.99.com.cn/uploads/090630/1_213954_1.jpg
foliage on a young plant:
http://stewartia.net/engei/field_plant/Kinpouge_ka/Pulsatilla%20chinensi...
This one was labeled as P. chinensis, but might actually be P. cernua based on the leaflet lobes more deeply divided, and semi-nodding buds, but otherwise close to P. chinensis:
http://plant.cqla.cn/06/MG11A_baitouweng002.JPG
Luc, if I were to venture a guess, I'd guess that you have a lovely form of P. vulgaris, a beautiful garden plant in its own right.
Trond Hoy
Re: Pulsatilla
Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:05amThe leaves of P chinensis is more like the leaves of P vernalis than any other species I have seen!
Mark McDonough
Re: Pulsatilla
Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:14amBased on your photo Trond, true enough. In your photo of P. vernalis, I see the involucral bracts are very dissected and super fuzzy; what stands our for me on P. chinensis (and P. cernua too), is the mostly entire bract segments that are mildly pilose and without the usual puff of fuzz, which gives it a distinct look (although we all love the fluffy puffs on many Pulsatilla species).
LucS (not verified)
Re: Pulsatilla
Wed, 03/23/2011 - 12:45pmMark, you could be very right. The foliage of the plant on the photo is indeed very different from what I see here. I'll edit the posting.
Thanks for your time.
LucS (not verified)
Re: Pulsatilla
Wed, 03/23/2011 - 12:48pmThis one has the right ID : Pulsatilla slavica
Mark McDonough
Re: Pulsatilla
Wed, 03/23/2011 - 1:08pmHOLY MOLY Luc, that is simply drop-dead gorgeous... an explosion of fluffiness! :o :o :o
Trond Hoy
Re: Pulsatilla
Wed, 03/23/2011 - 1:12pmVery well, LucS, the last one is overwhelming! - and I don't worry at all about the name ;)
Peter George
Re: Pulsatilla
Wed, 03/23/2011 - 1:37pmAstounding!! What are your secrets?
LucS (not verified)
Re: Pulsatilla
Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:59pmWish I knew the secrets myself. Didn't do a thing to encourage it.
LucS (not verified)
Re: Pulsatilla
Mon, 03/28/2011 - 1:20pmOne more in flower today : Pulsatilla Budapest seedstrain
Mark McDonough
Re: Pulsatilla
Tue, 03/29/2011 - 5:02amGlorious shade of light blue, my favorite color. How true does "Budapest seedstrain" come from seed, and if one has lots of various color Pulsatilla vulgaris plants nearby, will the strain degenerate into something other than what is qualified as the "Budapest seedstrain". I have seen photos of this seed strain labeled as "Budapest" and they have always appeared as superior ethereal blue-flowered forms.
Todd Boland
Re: Pulsatilla
Mon, 04/04/2011 - 3:06amThose pale lilac-blues are stunning!
mark smyth (not verified)
Re: Pulsatilla
Sun, 04/10/2011 - 8:43amI'll kick off my NARGS forum membership by showing my P. albana lutea
Lori S. (not verified)
Re: Pulsatilla
Sun, 04/10/2011 - 8:45amWow, it's stunning, Mark! Welcome to the forum. It's great to see you here!
mark smyth (not verified)
Re: Pulsatilla
Sun, 04/10/2011 - 9:14amthanks Lori
Mark McDonough
Re: Pulsatilla
Sun, 04/10/2011 - 10:24amVery nice Mark S, and a hearty welcome! Glad to see you made your way to this side of the pond.
For years I grew this particular Pulsatilla, and liked it very much... seemed to be one that might even be small enough for a trough.
LucS (not verified)
Re: Pulsatilla
Sun, 04/10/2011 - 12:55pmI have the white form of Pulsatilla slavica in flower at the moment. Not as impressive as the blue form but nice anyway.
Lori S. (not verified)
Re: Pulsatilla
Sun, 04/10/2011 - 1:37pmWow, I'd say it's very impressive! If it is even more impressive in blue, I can't imagine how. :o
Richard T. Rodich
Re: Pulsatilla
Sun, 04/10/2011 - 6:10pmA very fresh look to that one, Mark. (Actually, it looks quite tasty to me ;D.)
Thanks for stopping in, and we hope to see more of your additions here!
LucS (not verified)
Re: Pulsatilla
Mon, 04/11/2011 - 10:29amSee reply #5 for the blue flowered plant Lori.
Trond Hoy
Re: Pulsatilla
Mon, 04/11/2011 - 1:41pmI like all Pulsatillas regardless the color! I would like to grow more of any kind.
LucS (not verified)
Re: Pulsatilla
Fri, 04/15/2011 - 10:21amA few more from the rockgarden because you like them:
Pulsatilla georgii
Pulsatilla patens
Pulsatilla x gayeri
Lori S. (not verified)
Re: Pulsatilla
Fri, 04/15/2011 - 10:34amBeautiful, Luc! What strong, healthy plants and what a profusion of bloom!
What is the origin of your P. patens? It's very different from the appearance of the native species that occurs here, in the form, flower colour and nodding buds. I realize that P. patens is also a Eurasian species (not just North American), but can the forms really be that different? Here are some photos of the species in the wild in this area:
http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=67.0
Trond Hoy
Re: Pulsatilla
Fri, 04/15/2011 - 1:31pmSome of my Pulsatilla seeds have sprouted ;D Hope they grow as exuberant as yours, Luc!
Richard T. Rodich
Re: Pulsatilla
Fri, 04/15/2011 - 3:21pmDitto what Lori said about the American Pulsatilla patens. The Minnesota native type can also be seen on that same thread.
Nevertheless, those are some very well grown plants! Do the flower stems continue to elongate as the flower ages, as they do with Pulsatilla turczaninovii?
What species are involved with P. x gayeri?
Rick
P.S. Did you mean Pulsatilla georgica instead of georgii?
This is the only one beginning bloom in my garden, as of yet: a very nice form, in my opinion, of Pulsatilla vulgaris. (I don't grow P. patens myself.)
LucS (not verified)
Re: Pulsatilla
Sat, 04/16/2011 - 1:20amLori, to be honoust I have doubts about its naming for some time. The plant looks more like a P. pratensis type to me.
I have a plant labelled P. pratensis ssp. bohemica that looks close to this one. See the picture below.
I was told that the plant (with name P. patens) in the picture above was grown from seeds collected in Primovice, Slowak Rep.
LucS (not verified)
Re: Pulsatilla
Sat, 04/16/2011 - 1:26amThe plant was originally labelled "Pulsatilla georgei" but it must be "P. georgica" no doubt.
It is a relatively small plant with small, light blue, hairy flowers.
I don't know much about P. gayeri. Got it from Gothenborg Botanics.
It looks to me as P. vulgaris is involved.
Luc
cohan (not verified)
Re: Pulsatilla
Wed, 04/20/2011 - 6:41pmlove the colour of this one!
Trond Hoy
Re: Pulsatilla
Wed, 04/20/2011 - 11:23pmPosted elsewhere but I think they belong here too ;D
Although the "mogop" is a Norwegian native I have planted these in the meadow here as they were exterminated many years ago when my father-in-law was a boy due to grazing livestock.
Pulsatilla vernalis.
cohan (not verified)
Re: Pulsatilla
Thu, 04/21/2011 - 3:56pmGreat you could re-introduce :) Was it a Norwegian clone? are they spreading?
Trond Hoy
Re: Pulsatilla
Thu, 04/21/2011 - 11:07pmIt is different sources. Some are plants I have collected as seedlings a place they are in abundance, others are seedlings I have bought. I haven't seen seedlings here yet but they haven't bloomed for more than a few years (and some years the flowers or the seedheads have been destroyed by grazing animals).
I intend to help by collecting seed and plant.
Mark McDonough
Re: Pulsatilla
Sat, 04/23/2011 - 7:34pmThere is a name found in IPNI.ORG as Pulsatilla gayeri Simonk., reference Magyar Bot. Lapok v. 179 (1906), with the note: Hybr (probably indicating "Hybrid"). Judging from a search through Tropicos, The Plant List, google, and other references, it would seem this is a phantom species and not a current recognized taxonomic entity, probably representing a P. vulgaris hybrid. I see it listed variably as P. x gayeri and P. vulgaris 'Gayeri', and under the various names there are hits on Flickr image galleries and such.