Iris 2011

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Juno season has started again.
Here some pictures to show you the variability of iris rosenbachiana:
photo 1-2 = "Deep Purple"
3-4 = "Varzob"
5 = "Harangon"
6-7 = "Tovilj-Dara"
8-9 = unnamed selection from the wild

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LucS's picture

Sun, 02/13/2011 - 4:44am

From an other section is iris (histrioides x winogradowii) "Frank Elder", a sister seedling of the better known "Katherine Hodgkin"

Sun, 02/13/2011 - 4:54am

Hello Luc, welcome to the NARGS Forum; thanks for kicking off Iris 2011 with a bang!  The Iris rosenbachiana cultivars are splendid.  It'll be a couple more months before we see such things over here (not that I have Iris rosenbachiana), but it is most refreshing to see these Iris delights on this cold winter morning.

Luc Gilgemyn's picture

Sun, 02/13/2011 - 11:50am

I thought I'd give it a try here as well !  ;)
Couldn't refuse Marc McDonoughs friendly invitation !  ;)

Here's two Juno Iris :

I. rosenbachiana 'Harangon' in full swing
Iris x sindpers

Sun, 02/13/2011 - 4:27pm

Gorgeous images!  Please consider adding some to our image gallery!

With 5 feet of snow in my garden, I won't be seeing any iris bloom anytime soon.

Sun, 02/13/2011 - 7:14pm

Spectacular!  How long does each individual flower last?

And would that be pretty much standard across the Juno species?

Paul T's picture

Sun, 02/13/2011 - 11:54pm

OMG... the rosenbachiana!!!!!!!!!!  :o :o :o :o :o  Stupendous!! :o

Luc Gilgemyn's picture

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 12:43am

Thanks for the compliments guys !

Rick, each flower (depending on the weather) lasts for about a week.
The rosenbachiana I'm showing had one flower open on February 3rd - (you can see it's shrivelled remainders in the low left corner of the picture) - since then 3 new flowers devellopped - flowering will end in about one week from now I guess)

Todd,
I'll have a look where your image gallery is.  ;)

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 9:29am

Luc, I think I like Iris rosenbachiana 'Harangon' best of all, simply gorgeous. These iris have the types of flowers one wants to keeping staring at, taking in the sculpted intricacies of the blooms, contemplating the dramatic coloration and markings.

I have posted photos of my "Juno" Iris in the past, I will add some link to these. When visiting the gardens of John Lonsdale in Pennsylvania, USA, the most striking aspect of this truly outstanding garden, if that he "pushes the envelope" so to speak, and grows things outdoors that we often think of as ungrowable outdoors.  Such inspiration.  This is where I saw many Juno iris being grown outdoors, even seeding around, and there were Oncos too.  Those that I have grown all came from John.

Not only is his garden magnificent, but so too is his web site and extensive photo galleries.  Here are links to John's Edgewood Gardens web site, his Iris subgenus Scorpiris gallery, and the last link to the floral candy of Iris rosenbachiana:

http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/

http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/Plants_album/The%20Plants%20-%20%20Comple...

http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/Plants_album/The%20Plants%20-%20%20Comple...

WimB's picture

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 7:07am

No magnificent Juno's, like from the two Luc's, here...just some reticulate Irisses which were flowering here in the last couple of weeks:

Iris 'Alida'
Iris 'Beautiful Day'
Iris 'Blue Ice'
Iris danfordiae
Iris 'Evening twilight'
Iris 'George'
Iris 'Gordon'
Iris 'Harmony'
Iris histrio
Iris histrioides 'Angel's Eye'

WimB's picture

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 7:09am

And a couple more:

Iris hyrcana
Iris 'Katherine Hodgkin'
Iris 'Morning Glow'
Iris 'Pixie'
Iris 'Vivacious Beginnings'

deesen's picture

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 8:35am

Nice collection there Wim

LucS's picture

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 12:13pm

Excellent plants to give the N. American winter some colour Wim !

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 2:52pm

Wim, quite an eyeful of gorgeous Iris there.  There are a few with names I don't know; are 'Evening Twilight', 'Morning Glow', and 'Vivacious Begginings" McMurtie hybrids?  And do you have any brief info on there beautiful blues: 'Beautiful Day', 'Blue Ice', and 'Alida'?

Something I want to document later in the season, is how people cope with the greatly lengthening summer foliage on the retics. This past summer I intended on photographing the leaves on some of these, that I have measured as reaching 3' (1 meter) in length in past summers.  But as it turned out, with our severe drought, they didn't get that long and dried up much faster than normal.  I did take a picture (I think I did) of a small massed planting of Iris 'Katherine Hodgkin' where it makes a very messy mass of long foliage afterwards, I'll see if I can find it.  It is my one criticism of the otherwise beautiful retics, and to a lesser extent some of the Chinese Iris like I. koreana and minutoaurea, that the foliage grows so long after flowering.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 3:57pm

Iris minutoaurea foliage does not go wimpy-floppy for me.  It does lengthen after flowering, but not to the extent you showed on the forum (I don't remember if  it was here or SRGC).  But my plants have more room than the one in your pic, Mark.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 7:46pm
RickR wrote:

Iris minutoaurea foliage does not go wimpy-floppy for me.  It does lengthen after flowering, but not to the extent you showed on the forum (I don't remember if  it was here or SRGC).  But my plants have more room than the one in your pic, Mark.

In the case of I. minutoaurea, for me the foliage does not go wimpy-floppy; it stands upright, but gets to about 16" long, whereas the plant in flower is barely 2" tall. 

In my photos posted on another thread (see below) this Iris is being crowded out, so this summer I relocated the encroaching Epimedium, to allow this fine Iris to expand unencumbered.  I wonder too, if there are more than one form of this Iris going around; mine came from Darrell Probst at Garden Vision Epimediums.  Rick, where is your plant from?
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5627.msg156824#msg156824
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4736.msg128032#msg128032

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 9:12pm

A mistake on my part, my blooms are 2.5 inches high, certainly not 4!
But foliage is never longer than 12 inches.  One plant was given to me by a Chapter member who grew it from seed from the NARGS seed ex labeled as Iris sanguinea.  (What a wonderful surprise!)  The other came from Betty Ann Addison's nursery, Rice Creek Gardens, here in Minnesota.  It was sold to me as Iris arenaria.  I don't have a clue where she got it.  Both plants behave the same.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 9:17pm

Thanks Rick... regardless, it's a wonderful little Iris.  This year I plan on dividing it up into as many pieces as possible.  Let's hope we have a better summer than the 2010 ultra-drought year.

WimB's picture

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 10:32pm
McDonough wrote:

Wim, quite an eyeful of gorgeous Iris there.  There are a few with names I don't know; are 'Evening Twilight', 'Morning Glow', and 'Vivacious Begginings" McMurtie hybrids?  And do you have any brief info on there beautiful blues: 'Beautiful Day', 'Blue Ice', and 'Alida'?

Something I want to document later in the season, is how people cope with the greatly lengthening summer foliage on the retics. This past summer I intended on photographing the leaves on some of these, that I have measured as reaching 3' (1 meter) in length in past summers.  But as it turned out, with our severe drought, they didn't get that long and dried up much faster than normal.  I did take a picture (I think I did) of a small massed planting of Iris 'Katherine Hodgkin' where it makes a very messy mass of long foliage afterwards, I'll see if I can find it.  It is my one criticism of the otherwise beautiful retics, and to a lesser extent some of the Chinese Iris like I. koreana and minutoaurea, that the foliage grows so long after flowering.

Thanks McMark,

'Evening Twilight', 'Morning Glow', 'Vivacious Beginnings', 'Beautiful Day' and 'Blue Ice' are all McMurtrie hybrids (all of them Iris sophenensis x danfordiae crosses) bought from Janis Ruksans last year. 'Alida' is a selection taken from I. 'Harmony'.

Leaves up to 1 meter  :o :o The max we ever get is 20-25 cm. If you place them near to herbaceous perennials the leaves get covered in a month or two.

Paul T's picture

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 2:45am

Wim,

I too echo Mark's question re the unknown ones.  Interestingly, I grow pretty much all you pictured bar the McMurtrie hybrids here, or at least have done.  The 5 names you showed as his are the 5 that I'd never seen.  ;D  It is also interesting that you say that 'Alida' is a selection from 'Harmony'.  I've thought them very similar, at least in my garden, and wondered about the naming.

Mark,

Leaves a 1m!!  :o :o  Ours never get anything like that, although Hermodactylus tuberosus does.  None of the retics ever get leaves more than maybe 30cm here, in many cases not even near to that.

Rick,
Getting minutoaurea instead of sanguinea was a bit of luck.  I've only ever seen pics of the minutoaurea myself.  Not that I'd sneeze at sanguinea for that matter, as I loved it when I used to grow it maybe 15 years ago.  Such an excellent intense purple colour to it, or at least the form I had of it (which is the only one I've ever seen in person, so I have no idea whether it was standard or not).  Of course, it has been 15 years since I last saw it, so absence may have made the heart grow fonder, or at least the memory hazier!!?  ;D ;D

deesen's picture

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 9:12am

Does anyone grow Iris lazica? I have a large clump that I badly need to split, when would be the best time to do it?

Paul T's picture

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 3:07pm

David,

I've butchered my I. lazica in autumn in the past without a problem, in fact I think I've taken pieces off mine at various times of the year without any problems.  I love it's chunkiness compared to the unguicularis, and the very different green of the leaves.  I've found it hardy here from shade to full sun.  Mine existed for many years in a small pot amongst grass at our old property when it was rented out.  After a couple of years of sitting amongst the grass in it's pot I discovered it still alive and more or less green, despite the other pots of other things like daffodils etc also hidden in said grass all dying.  This was in total blazing sunshine (other than perhaps some light cover from some of the grass at certain times of year?) without any artificial watering at all.  I was amazed at how hardy it was.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 3:10pm

David and Paul, aren't you going to tempt us with some nice photos of I. lazica?

Paul T's picture

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 1:12am

Mark,

Happy to oblige.  Not brilliant pics, but you get the idea.  ;D

Iris lazica in my garden.  The pics were technically taken in 2005 and 2006, but they were prepared today, hence the watermark for 2011.  :)  These pics were taken in September in those years.

Luc Gilgemyn's picture

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 1:23am

Nice show everybody !

I've got another Juno flowering at the moment : Iris nusariensis from Syria

On the second picture you can see a second flower bud developping nicely...  :)

Paul T's picture

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 1:42am

That's a beauty, Luc.

WimB's picture

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 2:21am
Luc wrote:

Nice show everybody !

I've got another Juno flowering at the moment : Iris nusariensis from Syria

On the second picture you can see a second flower bud developping nicely...  :)

Wonderful Luc,

it reminds me of the color which the sky of Belgium often has  ;)

WimB's picture

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 9:59am
LucS wrote:

Excellent plants to give the N. American winter some colour Wim !

Thanks Luc,

here are two more which were flowering today:

Iris 'Cantab'
and Iris 'J.S Dijt'

deesen's picture

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 12:16pm

IRIS lazica

First of all I should say that I had written most of what follows and prepared the pics before I had seen Paul's pics higher up the page and thanks Paul for the splitting advice.

Let's have a look at what Brian Mathew says about Iris lazica in "The Iris"

Well, it grows about 15-25cm in height (roughly 6-10 inches) !! (see later); is March flowering (see later); is endemic in the Black Sea coastal regions of south west Caucasia and north east Turkey as far west as Giresun; and it grows on shady banks but is in damp conditions for most of the year.

My plant grows in full sun (when we get some) and boy does it get damp conditions for most of the year! That's maybe why my plant forms a rough square of about 36 inches(91.4cm) and is about 30 inches (76.2cm high) and that's why it needs to be split :) As far as flowering is concerned I've had it in flower in August; it's been in flower in December and the pictures of it in flower below are from February 2008. Last week it had four flowers on it but when I looked today the snails had done their worst with them.

Paul T's picture

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 1:44pm

David,

15-25cm high is WAY smaller than mine as well, and the clump size is about the same as yours I think.  It seems to get to a certain size though and then doesn't seem to expand anywhere near the same rate after that, if that is any help.  I'd be putting a shovel through it and lifting part of it out, leaving the rest of it in place if you're worried about the moving process.  That way half (or whatever amount you decide) doesn't get disturbed, while you divide up the rest.

deesen's picture

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 2:15am
Paul wrote:

David,

15-25cm high is WAY smaller than mine as well, and the clump size is about the same as yours I think. .........

Glad to hear that Paul, I thought I had bought a giant! I think your spade idea is the perfect remedy.

Paul T's picture

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 2:21am

David,

That way it leaves the main part of the plant undisturbed (more or less), while giving you other plants to get growing elsewhere.  Once you know you've established more you can butcher the original to your heart's content.  ;D ;D  I'm brutal I know, but usually only with backups already established.  ;)

deesen's picture

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:32am

Paul, when you split do you reduce the length of the leaves on the split portions please?

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 7:31pm
Luc wrote:

Nice show everybody !

I've got another Juno flowering at the moment : Iris nusariensis from Syria

On the second picture you can see a second flower bud developping nicely...  :)

Luc, the Iris nusariensis is stunning, I've seen it on the SRGC pages, and I'm in awe of the flower color and form.  I'm partial to pale smokey ice blue colors (perhaps the reason I like Globularia so much), and this Iris personifies the most pure of color schemes.

Paul T's picture

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:51pm
deesen wrote:

Paul, when you split do you reduce the length of the leaves on the split portions please?

David,

Not if there is a decent root system on it.  The only time I'd cut leaves back on transplanting if there were few roots.  I don't ever trim the leaves on lazica, although some years I do in early winter on the unguicularis as they start to flower.

LucS's picture

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 11:15am

Today a first flowering of a rather temperamental juno which made me quite happy: iris fosteriana.
It grows wild in the Kopet Dag (NE-Iran, NW-Afghanistan) in dryish steppe country on stony slopes which are moist in spring but very dry in summer. So the best chance of succes is cultivation in a cold greenhouse or a bulb frame where water can be withheld completely in the summer.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 12:00pm
LucS wrote:

Today a first flowering of a rather temperamental juno which made me quite happy: Iris fosteriana.
It grows wild in the Kopet Dag (NE-Iran, NW-Afghanistan) in dryish steppe country on stony slopes which are moist in spring but very dry in summer. So the best chance of succes is cultivation in a cold greenhouse or a bulb frame where water can be withheld completely in the summer.

Congratulations Luc, a very nice juno.  I first saw photos of this species on Kees Jan's remarkable photo gallery of plants from Kopet Dag, Northern Iran.  I love the purple bracts (is that the official terminology) beneath the flowers.

Kees Jan's SmugMug photo gallery on plants of Kopet Fag, Northern Iran, 49 pages, 723 photos
http://keesjan.smugmug.com/Botanical-trips/Asia/Kopet-Dag-Mountains-NE-I...

...you can browse through the whole gallery (I did a couple of times :D), or search Iris fosteriana, with 52 photos of it!
http://keesjan.smugmug.com/search/index.mg?searchWords=Iris+fosteriana&s...

...here is one of 52 photos on this beautiful Iris:
http://keesjan.smugmug.com/Botanical-trips/Asia/Kopet-Dag-Mountains-NE-I...

Luc, did you grow yours from seed, and if so, how long to reach flowering?  Looks like you have room for expanding your collection, with all those empty pots.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 9:01pm

Yes, those purple bract things are interesting appendages.  I don't think I have ever noticed them before, held with that aspect, on an iris.

LucS's picture

Mon, 02/21/2011 - 9:00am

Marc, this one is not from seed. It is one of the collections of Jim Archibald.

The dark purple standards are in this species turned down to almost a vertical position as is shown in the next photo.

LucS's picture

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 2:19am
RickR wrote:

Iris standards that fall... I never would have thought.

An extract from the iris book by Brian Mathew with the parts of a juno flower.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 6:44am

Thanks, Luc! 
And I didn't know that was the norm for Juno iris:
that the standards grow below the falls. :)

Thu, 02/24/2011 - 11:06am

Wish I could grow junos in my part of the world but alas, not even bucharica lasts more than 2-3 years.  I have to live vicariously through others.  Thankfully we can grow the reticulata with no fuss.

LucS's picture

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 4:40am

You can find Iris (juno) aucheri with a whole range of blue flowers.
This clone has very dark blue flowers .

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 5:30am

Wow, that's an intense dark color! :o :o :o  Truly special.

I have a single plant of I. aucheri (regular blue) growing outdoors for the past 8-9 years, flowering nicely the first few years but I only get leaves in more recent years, I don't think these plants take too kindly to competition from neighboring plants.

LucS's picture

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 6:56am

Marc,
They need feeding in the growing season, especially potash after the flowering period.
Competition with other plants is not a good idea if you like flowers.

deesen's picture

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 12:27pm

My first two Junos of the season.

Iris tubergeniana, and
Iris bucharica 'Baldschuan Yellow'

LucS's picture

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 12:33pm

A dwarf variety of Iris unguicularis ssp cretensis from Mt. Ida, Crete

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 1:21pm
LucS wrote:

A dwarf variety of Iris unguicularis ssp cretensis from Mt. Ida, Crete

Luc, that is totally charming and delightfully surprising!  :o :o
I love these dwarf grassy leaf types; didn't realize there was such dwarf form of I. unguicularis.  I had to google to find out there is a Mt. Ida in Crete as well as in Turkey (I'm familiar with some plants from the Turkish Mr. Ida); there are several other Mt. Ida locations too.

Googling I find this species offered by a number of UK nurseries.  Your plant looks more attractive than most photos I've found in my brief search, including on the Signa site:
http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Iris-cretensis
http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Display+Iris-cretensis+5

I found the species once listed on Plant Delights Nursery, listed as Zone 7, indicating it would not be hardy here.  A couple other sites rate it Zone 6.  Since it is a "winter grower", I'm figuring it would not grow here, although I have never tried.
http://www.plantdelights.com/Iris-unguicularis-ssp-cretensis-Perennial-W...

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 2:13pm

And there are those falling standards again, easily seen on the two yellow juno species.  Intriguing...

And interesting to know that I. unguicularis grows for you, Mark.  I don't know why, but I planted seeds of this one last year.  They germinated in late summer and they are in on the windowsill now.  (Sorry to say that they have been badly neglected, as I didn't think they would have a prayer here.)  Now maybe there is an eensy-teensy chance!

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 2:21pm
RickR wrote:

And there are those falling standards again, easily seen on the two yellow juno species.  Intriguing...

And interesting to know that I. unguicularis grows for you, Mark.  I don't know why, but I planted seeds of this one last year.  They germinated in late summer and they are in on the windowsill now.  (Sorry to say that they have been badly neglected, as I didn't think they would have a prayer here.)  Now maybe there is an eensy-teensy chance!

Rick, sorry to have given the impression that I am growing this species; I'm not.  I always figured that being a winter grower/bloomer it would be much too tender for New England, and the zone ratings cited for the species are not encouraging.  Maybe the dwarf Cretan form would have greater hardiness?

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