Fritillaria 2012

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Longma
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I believe you don't have to wait much longer Arne. I have been led to understand that the long awaited Kew monograph on Fritillaria will be published next year ( 2013). ;)
I have also seen these titles, that you refer to, on Amazon and wonder what they are about. I follow the published papers re Fritillaria very carefully and cannot get a grasp on these offers. I think that if you have any questions regarding these Frits ( F.falcata etc. ), then much better to post your query on this forum, than pay for these 'whatevers'!! I am sure there are people here who can address any queries you have. ;D

53.69° N, Dedicated to West Coast Fritillaria, plus three other members of the subgenus Liliorhiza. I grow other Genera, as time permits !

Arne
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Thanks, that was good news, I will save my money until then :) No praticular questions at the moment, more a search for knowledge.

A cold Norwegian summer and atumn has already got the first Fritillaria seeds to sprout here.

Arne

Longma
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I'm saving my pocket money too Arne in anticipation of a quality publication. ;D ;D

The Frit sprouting is incredibly early and will certainly be damaged through the winter if exposed to your Norwegian climate. What species do you think it is? and what conditions are you able to give it? If its sprouted and then gets frozen it may not make it! :(

53.69° N, Dedicated to West Coast Fritillaria, plus three other members of the subgenus Liliorhiza. I grow other Genera, as time permits !

Mark McD
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Arne wrote:

While waiting for a new comprehensive fritillaria book  :( I found a series of these on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fritillaria-Falcata-Jesse-Russell/dp/551224969X/...

Do anyone have any experience with these. Can you find the same articles searching the Web?

Hello Arne, welcome to the NARGS Forum!

Regarding the Amazon.com link, it is a strange and curious situation indeed.  I spent some time trying to figure out what these things are, they don't appear to be real books. Using a different link by searching on Google, I started down an intricate web of what appears to be nefarious scamming.  One link listed this "book" as "Publication Date: July 27, 2012, High Quality Content by WIKIPEDIA articles!, by Ronald Cohn & Jesse Russell.

Googling the authors, leads to various booksellers, including Alibris, with hundreds up hundreds of books by Ronald Cohn & Jesse Russell, all of which have no details whatsoever and seem to be some sort of mysterious offering. Some are very high priced, none have been reviewed, many or most are in various languages, all are listed as published 2012.
To see the list, use this link (but don't buy, these are surely scam offerings):
http://www.alibris.com/search/books/author/Jesse%20Russell,%20Ronald%20Cohn

On a graphic image on the side on one Amazon link, it lists Bookvika publishing, on a 2nd image, Pubmix.com, and elsewhere found references to Book on Demand Ltd. (July 27, 2012).  There is indeed a new phenomenon called POD or Print on Demand, where publishers will print books by individual order, the technology today allowing books to be stored digitally and printed per order. But I think what we're seeing here in this case is a network of scam offers. See this user-response page on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/RB3IPJIBXIZW4
One reviewer wrote "Bookvika Publishing are well known scammers. All of their books are copied and pasted from Wikipedia articles. PLEASE DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY"

This link is showing that a large number of sites are basically lifting (stealing) Wikipedia information and selling it or posting it as their own information, sigh :(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks/Abc#Bookvika_Pu...

So, Ron I'm glad you posted the news about an upcoming monograph on Fritillaria.  Do you know who the author(s) will be?  I know that when it comes out, I certainly must get a copy.

(PS: if much discussion on this book fraud situation, I can more it to its own topic. It is worth being aware of these shady dealings that somehow are allowed to carry out their business on respected sites like Amazon and Alibris)

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
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RickR
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That really is interesting foliage on F. davidii.  And very un-monocot looking!  :o

As you can see, Ron, our participants here span the gamut of know how.  That you "hope you can contribute in some way" is real understatement!  Welcome!

Rick Rodich    zone 4a.    Annual precipitation ~24 inches
near Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

Arne
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Luckily I have a frost free room in my garage with windows to set the sprouting seeds, so the lack of light in a dark winter will be the biggest challenge. Most of them were sown i January (oliqua, caucasica, verticillata) and one in September (striata). Same happened last year, from late November and onwards. I guess there will be more to come (I have plenty of pots with seeds).

Thankyou for welcome and furthrter information of the socalled books. I will certenly not buy any.

Arne

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McDonough wrote:

So, Ron I'm glad you posted the news about an upcoming monograph on Fritillaria.  Do you know who the author(s) will be?  I know that when it comes out, I certainly must get a copy.

Mark - it has been the 'hot gossip' ( or should I be saying the 'skinny' or 'scuttlebutt' now I'm here ;D ) this year that the long awaited for Kew Monograph on Fritillaria by Martyn Rix is being completed by Bob Wallis and will be published next year. Rix's monograph has long been waited for and there have been numerous 'false dawns' I know. This time it is looking good. 8)

Thanks for the welcome Rick. I'm keen to learn from the wide range of 'know how' that is so obvious from a read through many wonderful posts. :)

Some nice species there Arne, including one of my 'loves', F.striata. This is usually the first of the Liliorhiza to show and flower for me here in UK. Usually this is in late December, but I know further south at ( Royal Horticultural Society Gardens ) Wisley they have had it emerge in early November.
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Wisley/+November+/237/

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Arne
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Then my F. striata seeds are not so early at all :) I had been looking for those seed for a while, seeds from the more unusual American fritts are not easy obtainable. These came from the Fritillaria Groups seed exchange.

Longma
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Not so early at all Arne.  8) 8) ;D

I'm expecting my latest sowing of F.striata to be showing within the next few weeks also,  ;D ;D

I have sown most of my subgenus Liliorhiza seed now, but do have a few species left to sow. I find the latest sowing time here is end December, :)

PM me if you would like some of the species I have left.

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Odd really Ron, I'd never thought of you as a fabled winged horse with dragon scales ;D

David Nicholson
in Devon, UK  Zone 9b

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