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Geoffrey F-Winterspoon.
Arras, Northern France, USDA zone 8 (temps min -12°c), cool and humid summer and cool winter.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29627653@N04/sets/72157627728518944/

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Geo wrote:

A few more pictures...

http://www.mytho-fleurs.com/images/Epimediums%20Thierry/pages/thumbnail/...

Enjoy! 8)

OMG! :o :o :o  I just ran through all 10 pages of Epimedium images, the new Thierry hybrids are simply mind-boggling, so many stunning flower forms and colors; I'm practically at a loss for words.  I also like the fact, the whole plant is shown in many cases, after all, it's not just about flowers; so few web sites that show Epimedium flower photos ever show us the whole plant. Mr. Thierry's hybridization goals are good ones, and it is obvious he has succeeded with those goals in developing so many spectacular flower forms and colors, and plants with really attractive foliage too.  I am humbled by that impressive body of hybridization work; at the same time his results sparks the imagination about what the possibilities might be, and now I'm more anxious than ever to "play" with epimedium crosses this coming spring

How fortunate you are to be close to such an exceptional nursery and nurseryman.  Would love to see more on Thalictrum hybrids too.

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
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Geo wrote:

A few more pictures...

http://www.mytho-fleurs.com/images/Epimediums%20Thierry/pages/thumbnail/...

Enjoy! 8)

Thanks Geoffrey, wonderful plants?

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OMG! :o :o :o  I just ran through all 10 pages of Epimedium images, the new Thierry hybrids are simply mind-boggling, so many stunning flower forms and colors; I'm practically at a loss for words.  I also like the fact, the whole plant is shown in many cases, after all, it's not just about flowers; so few web sites that show Epimedium flower photos ever show us the whole plant. Mr. Thierry's hybridization goals are good ones, and it is obvious he has succeeded with those goals in developing so many spectacular flower forms and colors, and plants with really attractive foliage too.  I am humbled by that impressive body of hybridization work; at the same time his results sparks the imagination about what the possibilities might be, and now I'm more anxious than ever to "play" with epimedium crosses this coming spring

How fortunate you are to be close to such an exceptional nursery and nurseryman.  Would love to see more on Thalictrum hybrids too.

Mark, I think yo would feel like a child in a toystore over there  ;D  ;)

One of his best Thalictrum introductions for me is Thalictrum 'Splendide'. It's like a giant pink cloud in the garden when it flowers....I beleive he sells a white form of it now, too (forgot the name)!

Wim Boens
Wingene Belgium zone 8a

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McDonough wrote:

OMG! :o :o :o  I just ran through all 10 pages of Epimedium images, the new Thierry hybrids are simply mind-boggling, so many stunning flower forms and colors; I'm practically at a loss for words.  I also like the fact, the whole plant is shown in many cases, after all, it's not just about flowers; so few web sites that show Epimedium flower photos ever show us the whole plant. Mr. Thierry's hybridization goals are good ones, and it is obvious he has succeeded with those goals in developing so many spectacular flower forms and colors, and plants with really attractive foliage too.  I am humbled by that impressive body of hybridization work; at the same time his results sparks the imagination about what the possibilities might be, and now I'm more anxious than ever to "play" with epimedium crosses this coming spring

How fortunate you are to be close to such an exceptional nursery and nurseryman.  Would love to see more on Thalictrum hybrids too.

Well Mark, I feel very happy to be close to Thierry! Ideally I would be close to Thierry, Darrell Probst of Koen Van Poucke, Daniele Monbaliu of Crug Farm and Pan Global Plants...Then I would be the happiest man of the world...^^

It is just a small glimpse of what he will propose this year, he said that in 2013, it will be more interesting...We'll see.

Unfortunately, as many nurseries these days, he can't do everything he wants. For example, there would be very interesting to hybridize species such as platypetalum or ecalcaratum, actually two of my favorites, but species with small flowers don't pay enough attention to people, they like big colorful flowers, though showy (as for Heuchera, people tend to prefer more colorful, and this is true for many plants, unfortunately).
Epimedium brevicornu, for example, few people interested, while it is in my opinion an excellent species. As for Epimedium pubescens, which is in my top 10 here.


(photo Thierry Delabroye)

Here is an E.ecalcaratum hybrids breeds by Mark Libert in Belgium, its flowers are smaller than those of ecalcaratum, a little beauty. But unsaleable according to Thierry. (I think it's a cross between ecalcaratum and a wushanense or something like 'Amber Queen'/'Caramel')

Hybridizations that Thierry doesn't make, but you do Mark, are with grandiflorum and other japanese species. Not really his cup of tea, they're more capricious here.

Now, he is also trying to hybridize its hybrids (which are now hybrids of hybrids) with true species. Especially to avoid getting sterile individuals and to inject new genes.

You know, I can send seeds if anyone is interested. It's just that the seeds remain viable during shipping.

WimB wrote:

Mark, I think yo would feel like a child in a toystore over there  ;D  ;)

One of his best Thalictrum introductions for me is Thalictrum 'Splendide'. It's like a giant pink cloud in the garden when it flowers....I beleive he sells a white form of it now, too (forgot the name)!

I think so Wim! It's exactly how I feel when I go to his nursery during the Epimediums's season.

He has new Thalictrum Wim, I don't know if he has already named all of them. He got a nice form with darker flowers than 'Splendide', 'Purple Rain'.


(photo Thierry Delabroye)

Geoffrey F-Winterspoon.
Arras, Northern France, USDA zone 8 (temps min -12°c), cool and humid summer and cool winter.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29627653@N04/sets/72157627728518944/

Mark McD
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WimB wrote:

Mark, I think yo would feel like a child in a toystore over there  ;D  ;)

True enough, with the simple suggestion of "enjoy" and a link, I arrived at the state of epimedium ecstasy ;D :o

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
antennaria at aol.com
 

Mark McD
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Geo wrote:

Well Mark, I feel very happy to be close to Thierry! Ideally I would be close to Thierry, Darrell Probst of Koen Van Poucke, Daniele Monbaliu of Crug Farm and Pan Global Plants...Then I would be the happiest man of the world...^^

I know what you mean Geoffrey, I feel fortunate to be relatively close to Garden Vision Epimedium, although so far as Darrell Probst's epimedium hybridization efforts, he has moved on to Coreopsis hybridization, so I'm not sure what his plans are for Epimedium from this point forward.
http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=442.0

Geo wrote:

It is just a small glimpse of what he will propose this year, he said that in 2013, it will be more interesting...We'll see.

Based on the link you provided, I'm sure there will be dozens of exciting new hybrids worthy of introduction.  Now, if we could only get them over here in the USA!

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Unfortunately, as many nurseries these days, he can't do everything he wants. For example, there would be very interesting to hybridize species such as platypetalum or ecalcaratum, actually two of my favorites, but species with small flowers don't pay enough attention to people, they like big colorful flowers, though showy (as for Heuchera, people tend to prefer more colorful, and this is true for many plants, unfortunately).
Epimedium brevicornu, for example, few people interested, while it is in my opinion an excellent species. As for Epimedium pubescens, which is in my top 10 here.

Geoffrey, you and I think alike, I couldn't agree more! I find some of the small-flowered ones (like E. campanulatum) pure delight, and I want to work with species like campanulatum and setosum.  I think I have photographed E. brevicornu more than any other epimedium, because a mature plant forms an outstanding clump in the garden, rather distinct from many of the other species.  I only have E. pubescens in the "Shaanxi Form" that Darrell introduced, notable for being hardier than typical E. pubescens, and it has quickly climbed to the top of my list of favorites.

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Here is an E.ecalcaratum hybrids breeds by Mark Libert in Belgium, its flowers are smaller than those of ecalcaratum, a little beauty. But unsaleable according to Thierry. (I think it's a cross between ecalcaratum and a wushanense or something like 'Amber Queen'/'Caramel')

Wow, that's a very special one, even if flowers are small they are in such abundance, and look at the orange color, superb!  Too bad such delights are considered unsaleable, but that's okay I suppose, it will take the efforts of dedicated "eppie" fans (such as ourselves) to play around with hybridization and possibly create new worthy hybrids unencumbered by the demands of large scale marketability.  I believe there is a niche market for small, neat plants, just as there is for large flamboyant ones.

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Hybridizations that Thierry doesn't make, but you do Mark, are with grandiflorum and other japanese species. Not really his cup of tea, they're more capricious here.

There strong rationale to cross Chinese evergreen species with the Japanese deciduous types such as grandiflorum.

Geo wrote:

You know, I can send seeds if anyone is interested. It's just that the seeds remain viable during shipping.

Yes, we should talk about that, I'll send a PM.  I have sent small moist-packed seed envelopes of Epimedium seed in 2010 to a number of people and they were received well, might be a good way to increases one's epimedium gene pool, and I'm happen to share.

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
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Mark McD
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Geoffrey, is the photo of the Thalictrum hybrid showing 'Splendide' or 'Purple Rain', sure is something special.

By the way, does anyone have experience with Epimedium elatum?  It's not particularly attractive as a flowering plant, foliage is nice but flowers are few and tiny, but it has the attribute of being among the tallest species, reaching 4' (1.3 m), and could be an asset in a hybridization program.  Isn't much information out there on this species, it's in the Stearn monograph, and in a few links:

E. elatum
http://www.flickr.com/photos/arifk11/5387226746/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/arifk11/5387549964/in/photostream/

Description and drawing from Flora of Pakistan
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=116046&flora_id=5
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250064598

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
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Geo wrote:

Here is an E.ecalcaratum hybrids breeds by Mark Libert in Belgium, its flowers are smaller than those of ecalcaratum, a little beauty. But unsaleable according to Thierry. (I think it's a cross between ecalcaratum and a wushanense or something like 'Amber Queen'/'Caramel')

The one in the picture is one of Marc Libert's plants? Very nice....he seems to continue the great tradition of the botanical garden of the university of Ghent, where he works!

Geo wrote:

WimB wrote:

One of his best Thalictrum introductions for me is Thalictrum 'Splendide'. It's like a giant pink cloud in the garden when it flowers....I beleive he sells a white form of it now, too (forgot the name)!

He has new Thalictrum Wim, I don't know if he has already named all of them. He got a nice form with darker flowers than 'Splendide', 'Purple Rain'.

I think he named a big white one last year, I'll ask Daniëlle when I visit her this week, If I remember correctly she had one of those in her garden last year.....

Wim Boens
Wingene Belgium zone 8a

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McDonough wrote:

By the way, does anyone have experience with Epimedium elatum?  It's not particularly attractive as a flowering plant, foliage is nice but flowers are few and tiny, but it has the attribute of being among the tallest species, reaching 4' (1.3 m), and could be an asset in a hybridization program.  Isn't much information out there on this species, it's in the Stearn monograph, and in a few links:

E. elatum
http://www.flickr.com/photos/arifk11/5387226746/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/arifk11/5387549964/in/photostream/

Description and drawing from Flora of Pakistan
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=116046&flora_id=5
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250064598

Never seen this species in real life, Mark. I wonder if anyone here grows it....maybe Koen Van Poucke does?

Wim Boens
Wingene Belgium zone 8a

Mark McD
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Thought I'd cross-post here to a topic on Tobacco Rattle Virus on the SRGC Forum, a virus that affects many plants, but apparently can affect Epimedium as well.  A question was put forth as to whether E. diphyllum 'Variegatum' was actually carrying TRV, I don't think it's a virused plant at all, just a true variagated leaf form.  Regardless, something to be aware of, particularly for those people enmassing a collection of "eppies".
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8738.0

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
antennaria at aol.com
 

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