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rodlutes
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Plant ID

While visiting the Montreal Botanic Garden this past weekend I came across this plant in the Crevice Garden but it had no tag.  If anyone can identify it, I would be grateful.

Lori S.
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Will look more into it later but the flower form reminds me of LactucaCichorium?

Lori Calgary, Alberta, Canada - Zone 3 -30 C to +30 C (rarely!); elevation ~1130m; annual precipitation ~40 cm

Mark McD
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Looks like a Tragopogon, possibly the highly variable Purple Salsify, T. porrifolius.

Mark McDonough Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5 antennaria at aol.com  

Lori S.
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That is a very interesting thought...

Here's Tragopogon eriospermum (syn. Tragopogon porrifolius ssp. porrifolius) (see link, below), which looks very similar;.  It usually has bracts that extend beyond the petals (although there's one photo that's anomalous).

http://crdp.ac-besancon.fr/flore/Asteraceae/especes/tragopogon_porrifolius_porrifolius.htm

Tragopogon eriospermus

Lori Calgary, Alberta, Canada - Zone 3 -30 C to +30 C (rarely!); elevation ~1130m; annual precipitation ~40 cm

Lori S.
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Okay, revising my thoughts after more looking around...

I think it's a Scorzonera, closely related to Tragopogon, and that it's likely Scorzonera suberosa, possibly ssp. suberosa: 

http://www.vanherbaryum.yyu.edu.tr/flora/famgenustur/ast/sco/sub/index.htm

http://www.vanherbaryum.yyu.edu.tr/flora/famgenustur/ast/sco/sub/images/Scorzonera-suberosaC.jpg

http://www.franz-alpines.org/g_scorzonera_suberosa.html

 

Here are some discussion and links from the SRGC forum:

http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6359.0

Lori Calgary, Alberta, Canada - Zone 3 -30 C to +30 C (rarely!); elevation ~1130m; annual precipitation ~40 cm

rodlutes
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Thank you Lori.  It is such an interesting and beautiful plant.

Rod

Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada - Zone 5

Mark McD
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Good sleuthing Lori!  I was racking my brain last night, because I have one that looks like the plant in question, and very similar leaves, so rather than go outside last night with a flashlight and fend off armies of mosquitoes, I ended up thinking Tragopogon, the plant I have is actually a Scorzonera :-)  Looking at The Plant List, there are many species of Scorzonera, suberosa looks like a good one.

Mark McDonough Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5 antennaria at aol.com  

Lori S.
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Your Tragopogon suggestion, a close relative, was the clue!  No idea, without that.

Lori Calgary, Alberta, Canada - Zone 3 -30 C to +30 C (rarely!); elevation ~1130m; annual precipitation ~40 cm

Mark McD
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Serendipitously, the plant I had bought as Scorzonera suberosa is in bloom today! Please excuse this small disaster area, a spot where I stored (hoarded?) lots of small pots from annual NARGS seedling sales (most plants only 50 cents each, lol), where most of the young plants languish for years, most of them die.  The original plant labeled as Scorzonera suberosa died a couple yar ago but left a few seedlings, that come into bloom quickly. Very narrow silvery foliage, stems to 12" tall, and those enormous dandelion "seed puffs".  I have no idea if this species is correct, haven't researched it.

  

Mark McDonough Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5 antennaria at aol.com  

rodlutes
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Mark:

Those are great pictures.  When I was at the Botanic Garden I was more focus on the flower, but the thread like leaves make the plant interesting even out of bloom.  I am going to have to keep a look out for this one!

Rod

Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada - Zone 5

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