Allium 2010

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Mark McD
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Update:  I have heard back from Dr. Nicolai Friesen, an expert in the genus Allium in such regions as Siberia and Mongolia, and he has identified Panayoti's Mongolian Allium as A. platyspathum... I was close, but very happy to have Dr. Friesen's expert ID.http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=177.msg5043#msg5043

Dr. Friesen has confirmed as correct my ID of A. vodopjanovae on Panayoti's small pink-flowered Mongolian alliumhttp://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=177.msg4963#msg4963

Mark McDonough Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5 antennaria at aol.com  

externmed
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Allium Summer Drummer Made it through the Z6a winter at 14 inches high, with 20% die-back on some leaves.  Deep fairly constant snow this winter.  (had been dormant going into its first winter)Now continuing to ascend it's leafy stalk.Will photograph when it has finished growing.Charles SwansonZ6a Massachusetts USA

NE Massachusetts (New England) USA  zone 6 (5B to 6B)

gardens visited, photographs:  www.flickr.com/photos/wildmeadow

Mark McD
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externmed wrote:

Allium Summer Drummer Made it through the Z6a winter at 14 inches high, with 20% die-back on some leaves.  Deep fairly constant snow this winter.  (had been dormant going into its first winter)Now continuing to ascend it's leafy stalk.Will photograph when it has finished growing.Charles SwansonZ6a Massachusetts USA

Thanks for the update Charles, can't wait to see what this thing looks like.  We can finish out this 'Summer Drummer' mystery here in the Allium 2010 topic, and new Allium additions should go into the Allium 2011 topic.  :D

Mark McDonough Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5 antennaria at aol.com  

externmed
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Allium "Summer Drummer" was a total waste.  Made it to 5.5 ft, looking like a pathetic corn plant, flower cluster smaller and less attractive than the readily available globe hybrids-but flowering in July.  Might have some limited value in some climates for cut flowers.  Mine is going to compost pile.

NE Massachusetts (New England) USA  zone 6 (5B to 6B)

gardens visited, photographs:  www.flickr.com/photos/wildmeadow

Mark McD
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externmed wrote:

Allium "Summer Drummer" was a total waste.  Made it to 5.5 ft, looking like a pathetic corn plant, flower cluster smaller and less attractive than the readily available globe hybrids-but flowering in July.  Might have some limited value in some climates for cut flowers.  Mine is going to compost pile.

Thanks for the feedback Charles.  The hybridizer/namer for a number of Alliums (including Summer Drummer) grown in the Netherlands has posted on SRGC about this Allium... it is basically a selected form of Allium ampeloprasum.

Links pertinent to Allium 'Summer Drummer'http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6685.msg203513#msg203513http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6685.msg204932#msg204932http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6685.msg204985#msg204985...Allium 'Summer Drummer' is a selected seedling of allium ampeloprasum:http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6685.msg204999#msg204999

Allium 'Summer Drummer' in late July:http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6685.msg209426#msg209426

Mark McDonough Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5 antennaria at aol.com  

Anne Spiegel
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Mark, I've been drooling over the alliums in part 2 of your article in the Quarterly.  Naturally, they're the ones not so readily available, right?

Mark McD
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Lis wrote:

Hmmmm, Allium experts: what would this one be? It's probably something common as I got the seed from one of the exchanges. It was called Allium cernuum album, but it sure ain't that. About 18" high, blooming now.

Lis, that is Allium carinatum ssp. pulchellum.  In your last photo, I see the white ones, a lavender color one just peeking from behind a white one, and a darker purplish one... one of my favorite alliums, a good doer, loves the sun and doesn't mind heat and a degree of drought.  An excellent species for the mid summer garden.  As alliums go, for me it doesn't seed around so easily as A. flavum, to which it is related and has the same general look except for flower color and somewhat earlier bloom in July.

Mark McDonough Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5 antennaria at aol.com  

Mark McD
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Spiegel wrote:

Mark, I've been drooling over the alliums in part 2 of your article in the Quarterly.  Naturally, they're the ones not so readily available, right?

Thanks Anne.  Yes indeed, the whole point of part 2 was to feature some of those rare types that we can dream about, in compliment to Part 1 that covered more accessible species.

Mark McDonough Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5 antennaria at aol.com  

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